it’s important to note that the purpose of sanitary sewers is to transport wastewater to treatment facilities<\/a>. when water from external sources enters the system, it is classified as inflow & infiltration (i\/i). this inevitably leads to a decrease in sewer distribution and, as a result, diminishes the overall effectiveness of the wastewater treatment facility. this increased volume of waste can create significant issues. our water resource engineers are highly skilled in discussing the importance of i\/i and the effective methods to detect and eliminate the problem. we strongly recommend listening to lindsay beaman, wes farrand, and amanda rodell as they share their expertise.<\/p>\npodcast agenda<\/h3>\n\nunderstanding the difference between inflow & infiltration\u00a0 (0:31)<\/li>\ninflow & infiltration increases operating costs\u00a0 (1:30)<\/li>\ndetermining if your system has inflow & infiltration issues\u00a0 (2:03)<\/li>\nidentifying if your sewer has inflow or infiltration\u00a0 (4:18)<\/li>\nbudgeting & identifying funding options for sanitary sewer rehabilitation\u00a0 (6:06)<\/li>\ncommon sewer investigative techniques\u00a0 (7:35)<\/li>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0 (10:52)<\/li>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues\u00a0 (13:49)<\/li>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0 (15:16)<\/li>\ninflow & infiltration success stories\u00a0 (17:37)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n <\/p>\n\n\/\/www.dicovercards.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/final-redo_mixdown_01.mp3<\/a><\/audio>\n\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t \n\t\t\t\t\t\tlindsay beaman, p.e.<\/h3>cedar rapids business unit leader<\/span><\/div><\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t \n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tlindsay beaman, p.e.<\/h3>cedar rapids business unit leader<\/span><\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\twater system analysis & 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , design & construction, wastewater treatment design, municipal engineering<\/p><\/i><\/a><\/span><\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div> \n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t <\/figcaption>\n\t\t\t\t\t \n\t\t\t\t <\/figure>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t \n\t\t\t\t\t\twes farrand, p.e.<\/h3>civil engineer<\/span><\/div><\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t \n\t\t\t\t\t\t\twes farrand, p.e.<\/h3>civil engineer<\/span><\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tcombined sewer 2022世界杯32强预选赛 & design, hydrologic & hydraulic analysis, water main design<\/p><\/i><\/a><\/span><\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div> \n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t <\/figcaption>\n\t\t\t\t\t \n\t\t\t\t <\/figure>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t \n\t\t\t\t\t\tamanda rodell, ei<\/h3>civil engineer<\/span><\/div><\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t \n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tamanda rodell, ei<\/h3>civil engineer<\/span><\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tpumping systems, hydraulic analysis, water system modeling, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , cost analysis.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div> \n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t <\/figcaption>\n\t\t\t\t\t \n\t\t\t\t <\/figure>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\nfull transcript<\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (0:18)<\/strong><\/p>\nhello and welcome to today’s podcast, where i am talking with wes and amanda about inflow and infiltration. first off, amanda, can you tell me what is inflow and infiltration<\/a>? i think we sometimes call that i\/i. can you tell me what those mean?<\/p>\nunderstanding the difference between inflow & infiltration<\/strong><\/h2>\namanda rodell (<\/strong>00:31<\/strong><\/a>):<\/strong><\/p>\nso, inflow and infiltration is pretty much when stormwater or groundwater makes its way into a sanitary sewer system, whether that’s going through manholes or leaking in through cracks in the pipe. and if this is in excess, it can overload the wastewater system and cause overflows, backups, and other problems within the system.<\/p>\ninfiltration in specific is when groundwater enters the sewer, and that can be through cracked pipes, fruit intrusions, damaged service connections, or degraded manholes. and this is typically a slower process that takes a little longer for that to occur.<\/p>\nnow, inflow is when surface stormwater enters the sewers, and that could be through damaged manhole covers when it’s running down the road and kind of slips into the system, storm drain cross connections, or when yard and roof drains are connected to the sanitary sewer.<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration increases operating costs<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (1:30)<\/strong><\/p>\nsince residents don’t typically have a sewer bill, i mean, there’s still that excess sewage going somewhere, and someone is paying to make sure it’s managed, correct?<\/p>\nwes farrand (1:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, a lot of systems have pump stations<\/a>, and increased flow is going to require that pump to run more often, which is going to require more power, more wear, and tear on the system, might require repair and maintenance sooner, and costs increase there.<\/a> and a lot of times, that’s buried costs cause the average citizen won’t see it, but it is going to be reflected in the operating budget of the system, and that operating budget has to be made up with either taxes, sewer user fees, or things like that at some point.<\/p>\ndetermining if your system has inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (2:03)<\/strong><\/p>\nokay, can you tell me how do we know that we have an i\/i problem or how do we define the scope of this?<\/p>\namanda rodell (02:10):<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s a couple of different ways to find out if your system is having problems with i\/i. one of those ways is looking at your pump stations and seeing how often they run. are they running continuously or more frequently when storm systems are coming through? another common way that people notice i n i problems are through backups and overflows in the system, which we typically try to avoid, but if those are occurring during storm events, typically, that’s a good note that i\/i is occurring in your system. system. and then one of the more common ways is looking at significant spikes in flows at flow meters or at your water treatment plant or wastewater treatment plant. and the epa even has guidance for municipal systems for what your flow should be per capita per day. and if a community system exceeds these values, that might indicate a problem with i\/i.<\/p>\nwes farrand (3:11)<\/strong><\/p>\ni’d add to that too. sometimes you may have an issue, and the community may not even realize it. it’s just part of how it’s always been operating. when you design, you design for mostly just your sanitary sewer flows but there is a factor in there for some peaking that you’re going to get, no matter how tight you build the sanitary sewer system<\/a>. but there’s excessive peaking that can come, especially with older systems, that is beyond that design level anticipated peak flow. sometimes you might notice it in one of those immediately tangible ways, but other times it might take a study with flow meters or other ways to measure flow during the dry season, base-level flows, and then compare that to what kind of flows happen during wet weather events to see what that peaking factor is. and there are some guidelines on what is a typical peaking factor versus what’s an excessive peaking factor that would indicate unacceptable levels of i\/i.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (3:56)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s a good answer, especially when you think about a lot of the rainfall events we’ve seemed to have over the last decade. i think a lot of system operators and managers can say they can reflect some correlations there. so, that’s really good advice. other than knowing you have a problem, how do you go about identifying where it’s coming from? you might be able to see it overflowing a manhole, but that’s not the exact manhole’s problem, correct?<\/p>\nidentifying\u00a0if your sewer has inflow or infiltration\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\namanda rodell (4:18)<\/strong><\/p>\nyes, if you see a manhole backing up, it could show that you’re having problems downstream and that it’s just backing up, and that was the weak point in the system, and that’s where it’s going to come out and show that you might be having these issues with i\/i.<\/p>\nwes farrand (4:34)<\/strong><\/p>\nit kind of comes down to, as mentioned before, the difference between what is inflow and what is infiltration part of the i\/i. sometimes with flow metering<\/a>,\u00a0 you can divide up a system into different sections and monitor the flow during dry seasons and wet seasons and you can kind of see a correlation between those peak flow times when the flow in the sewer is elevated, whether it comes immediately after a storm event. so, you can overlay those graphs and that information onto a rainfall. and if you see a real significant peak, right after the rainfall or right with the rainfall, then there’s a good chance that that’s an inflow type impact where it’s the floor drains or sump pumps or open manholes. we’ve seen that in the past where there are manholes that run down through a creek drainage way, and there are manhole covers that are off, and the creek just goes right down directly into the sanitary sewer.<\/p>\nthen also, the data can show the opposite or the other side of that, which is the infiltration side, that if that peak is more drawn out, delayed from the rainfall event, it can indicate a lot of times what would be primarily groundwater inflow coming through the cracks in the pipe, or even sometimes through sump pumps as they’re delayed as the groundwater comes up around homes and gets into those footing drain systems.<\/p>\na lot of times, it’s a good idea to do a comprehensive look at your i\/i both to look at, do we have footing drains in a certain neighborhood, is the pipe an old pipe? so, is it going to have a chance of a lot of infiltration coming in the cracks, or is it a new pipe that’s fairly tight? we’ve done studies where it’s just going to look for open manholes, things like that. so, a lot of times, it’s going to take a comprehensive look at all these different ways to pinpoint where the issue really is, and that helps go to the next step, which is how do you fix it.<\/p>\nbudgeting & identifying funding options for sanitary sewer rehabilitation\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (6:06)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think that we addressed early on the making of the dent in this to bring down the i\/i. the purpose of that is to save money in the long run on downstream infrastructure, but you’re going to have to spend to save. when do you start to spend to save? are there timing implications? when does it make sense maybe to start looking at some of these things?<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:24)<\/strong><\/p>\nfrom my perspective, it makes sense to look at them if you’re seeing wide swings in your sewer flow. if you’re seeing lots of high peaks during rainfall or during wet seasons, then it makes sense to start looking at something like an i\/i study or evaluation to just see what kind of costs impacts that’s having on your system.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (6:41)<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s no time like the present.<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:44)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, exactly. no time like the present. i think for any community that has old sewers, it’s worth at least a desktop look at what we should expect to see for sewer flow versus what are we seeing and does that point to a potential i\/i problem. and that is pretty easy to do upfront, and more often than not, most places have some level of i\/i issue that’s worth taking a look at or at least evaluating whether it makes sense to, like you said, spend a little money now to save a lot of money down the road.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (7:10)<\/strong><\/p>\nand since you’re talking about money, wes, is there money available to help begin this review?<\/p>\nwes farrand (7:14)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe srf, a state revolving fund program, does consider sewer rehabilitation projects as an eligible cost for their loan program<\/a>. it’s a reduced-rate loan that helps bring costs down quite a bit for a lot of communities. there are probably, i’m not exactly familiar with all the funding options<\/a> out there, but i think a cdbg or committee development block grant program out there that will help some to a certain level.<\/p>\ncommon sewer investigative techniques\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (7:35)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think what i’m hearing is that a lot of communities probably need more education as to why we should be looking at this regularly, so we can identify how much we could be saving in the future or daily. that’s an amazing assessment to make there.<\/p>\ncould you give me some more input on those basic principles and what you are looking for?<\/p>\namanda rodell (07:55)<\/strong><\/p>\nsmoke testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nso other than what i discussed before, looking at the backups and overflows, you can actually test for i\/i. one of those main ways is through smoke testing<\/a>, which involves you setting up a blower within the sewer system that pumps artificial non-toxic smoke through the sanitary sewer lines. the smoke is pressurized and will follow the path of leaks and reveal possible points of entry for i\/i, and the smoke will come out of damaged manholes, sewer pipes, roof drains, et cetera, where those weak points are.<\/p>\ndye testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother method for i\/i is dye testing<\/a>. this is when water is colored with a non-toxic dye, and it’s pumped through the groundwater or stormwater system that is being evaluated. if the dye appears within that sanitary source system. it indicates where the leak occurs, which typically, you can check at each manhole and see where that dye is starting to show up, and you can see where that leak is coming into the system.<\/p>\ncctv inspection<\/strong><\/h3>\nand then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding 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\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t <\/figcaption>\n\t\t\t\t\t \n\t\t\t\t <\/figure>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t \n\t\t\t\t\t\tamanda rodell, ei<\/h3>civil engineer<\/span><\/div><\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t \n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tamanda rodell, ei<\/h3>civil engineer<\/span><\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tpumping systems, hydraulic analysis, water system modeling, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , cost analysis.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div> \n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t <\/figcaption>\n\t\t\t\t\t \n\t\t\t\t <\/figure>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\nfull transcript<\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (0:18)<\/strong><\/p>\nhello and welcome to today’s podcast, where i am talking with wes and amanda about inflow and infiltration. first off, amanda, can you tell me what is inflow and infiltration<\/a>? i think we sometimes call that i\/i. can you tell me what those mean?<\/p>\nunderstanding the difference between inflow & infiltration<\/strong><\/h2>\namanda rodell (<\/strong>00:31<\/strong><\/a>):<\/strong><\/p>\nso, inflow and infiltration is pretty much when stormwater or groundwater makes its way into a sanitary sewer system, whether that’s going through manholes or leaking in through cracks in the pipe. and if this is in excess, it can overload the wastewater system and cause overflows, backups, and other problems within the system.<\/p>\ninfiltration in specific is when groundwater enters the sewer, and that can be through cracked pipes, fruit intrusions, damaged service connections, or degraded manholes. and this is typically a slower process that takes a little longer for that to occur.<\/p>\nnow, inflow is when surface stormwater enters the sewers, and that could be through damaged manhole covers when it’s running down the road and kind of slips into the system, storm drain cross connections, or when yard and roof drains are connected to the sanitary sewer.<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration increases operating costs<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (1:30)<\/strong><\/p>\nsince residents don’t typically have a sewer bill, i mean, there’s still that excess sewage going somewhere, and someone is paying to make sure it’s managed, correct?<\/p>\nwes farrand (1:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, a lot of systems have pump stations<\/a>, and increased flow is going to require that pump to run more often, which is going to require more power, more wear, and tear on the system, might require repair and maintenance sooner, and costs increase there.<\/a> and a lot of times, that’s buried costs cause the average citizen won’t see it, but it is going to be reflected in the operating budget of the system, and that operating budget has to be made up with either taxes, sewer user fees, or things like that at some point.<\/p>\ndetermining if your system has inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (2:03)<\/strong><\/p>\nokay, can you tell me how do we know that we have an i\/i problem or how do we define the scope of this?<\/p>\namanda rodell (02:10):<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s a couple of different ways to find out if your system is having problems with i\/i. one of those ways is looking at your pump stations and seeing how often they run. are they running continuously or more frequently when storm systems are coming through? another common way that people notice i n i problems are through backups and overflows in the system, which we typically try to avoid, but if those are occurring during storm events, typically, that’s a good note that i\/i is occurring in your system. system. and then one of the more common ways is looking at significant spikes in flows at flow meters or at your water treatment plant or wastewater treatment plant. and the epa even has guidance for municipal systems for what your flow should be per capita per day. and if a community system exceeds these values, that might indicate a problem with i\/i.<\/p>\nwes farrand (3:11)<\/strong><\/p>\ni’d add to that too. sometimes you may have an issue, and the community may not even realize it. it’s just part of how it’s always been operating. when you design, you design for mostly just your sanitary sewer flows but there is a factor in there for some peaking that you’re going to get, no matter how tight you build the sanitary sewer system<\/a>. but there’s excessive peaking that can come, especially with older systems, that is beyond that design level anticipated peak flow. sometimes you might notice it in one of those immediately tangible ways, but other times it might take a study with flow meters or other ways to measure flow during the dry season, base-level flows, and then compare that to what kind of flows happen during wet weather events to see what that peaking factor is. and there are some guidelines on what is a typical peaking factor versus what’s an excessive peaking factor that would indicate unacceptable levels of i\/i.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (3:56)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s a good answer, especially when you think about a lot of the rainfall events we’ve seemed to have over the last decade. i think a lot of system operators and managers can say they can reflect some correlations there. so, that’s really good advice. other than knowing you have a problem, how do you go about identifying where it’s coming from? you might be able to see it overflowing a manhole, but that’s not the exact manhole’s problem, correct?<\/p>\nidentifying\u00a0if your sewer has inflow or infiltration\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\namanda rodell (4:18)<\/strong><\/p>\nyes, if you see a manhole backing up, it could show that you’re having problems downstream and that it’s just backing up, and that was the weak point in the system, and that’s where it’s going to come out and show that you might be having these issues with i\/i.<\/p>\nwes farrand (4:34)<\/strong><\/p>\nit kind of comes down to, as mentioned before, the difference between what is inflow and what is infiltration part of the i\/i. sometimes with flow metering<\/a>,\u00a0 you can divide up a system into different sections and monitor the flow during dry seasons and wet seasons and you can kind of see a correlation between those peak flow times when the flow in the sewer is elevated, whether it comes immediately after a storm event. so, you can overlay those graphs and that information onto a rainfall. and if you see a real significant peak, right after the rainfall or right with the rainfall, then there’s a good chance that that’s an inflow type impact where it’s the floor drains or sump pumps or open manholes. we’ve seen that in the past where there are manholes that run down through a creek drainage way, and there are manhole covers that are off, and the creek just goes right down directly into the sanitary sewer.<\/p>\nthen also, the data can show the opposite or the other side of that, which is the infiltration side, that if that peak is more drawn out, delayed from the rainfall event, it can indicate a lot of times what would be primarily groundwater inflow coming through the cracks in the pipe, or even sometimes through sump pumps as they’re delayed as the groundwater comes up around homes and gets into those footing drain systems.<\/p>\na lot of times, it’s a good idea to do a comprehensive look at your i\/i both to look at, do we have footing drains in a certain neighborhood, is the pipe an old pipe? so, is it going to have a chance of a lot of infiltration coming in the cracks, or is it a new pipe that’s fairly tight? we’ve done studies where it’s just going to look for open manholes, things like that. so, a lot of times, it’s going to take a comprehensive look at all these different ways to pinpoint where the issue really is, and that helps go to the next step, which is how do you fix it.<\/p>\nbudgeting & identifying funding options for sanitary sewer rehabilitation\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (6:06)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think that we addressed early on the making of the dent in this to bring down the i\/i. the purpose of that is to save money in the long run on downstream infrastructure, but you’re going to have to spend to save. when do you start to spend to save? are there timing implications? when does it make sense maybe to start looking at some of these things?<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:24)<\/strong><\/p>\nfrom my perspective, it makes sense to look at them if you’re seeing wide swings in your sewer flow. if you’re seeing lots of high peaks during rainfall or during wet seasons, then it makes sense to start looking at something like an i\/i study or evaluation to just see what kind of costs impacts that’s having on your system.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (6:41)<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s no time like the present.<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:44)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, exactly. no time like the present. i think for any community that has old sewers, it’s worth at least a desktop look at what we should expect to see for sewer flow versus what are we seeing and does that point to a potential i\/i problem. and that is pretty easy to do upfront, and more often than not, most places have some level of i\/i issue that’s worth taking a look at or at least evaluating whether it makes sense to, like you said, spend a little money now to save a lot of money down the road.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (7:10)<\/strong><\/p>\nand since you’re talking about money, wes, is there money available to help begin this review?<\/p>\nwes farrand (7:14)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe srf, a state revolving fund program, does consider sewer rehabilitation projects as an eligible cost for their loan program<\/a>. it’s a reduced-rate loan that helps bring costs down quite a bit for a lot of communities. there are probably, i’m not exactly familiar with all the funding options<\/a> out there, but i think a cdbg or committee development block grant program out there that will help some to a certain level.<\/p>\ncommon sewer investigative techniques\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (7:35)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think what i’m hearing is that a lot of communities probably need more education as to why we should be looking at this regularly, so we can identify how much we could be saving in the future or daily. that’s an amazing assessment to make there.<\/p>\ncould you give me some more input on those basic principles and what you are looking for?<\/p>\namanda rodell (07:55)<\/strong><\/p>\nsmoke testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nso other than what i discussed before, looking at the backups and overflows, you can actually test for i\/i. one of those main ways is through smoke testing<\/a>, which involves you setting up a blower within the sewer system that pumps artificial non-toxic smoke through the sanitary sewer lines. the smoke is pressurized and will follow the path of leaks and reveal possible points of entry for i\/i, and the smoke will come out of damaged manholes, sewer pipes, roof drains, et cetera, where those weak points are.<\/p>\ndye testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother method for i\/i is dye testing<\/a>. this is when water is colored with a non-toxic dye, and it’s pumped through the groundwater or stormwater system that is being evaluated. if the dye appears within that sanitary source system. it indicates where the leak occurs, which typically, you can check at each manhole and see where that dye is starting to show up, and you can see where that leak is coming into the system.<\/p>\ncctv inspection<\/strong><\/h3>\nand then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both 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lindsay beaman (0:18)<\/strong><\/p>\nhello and welcome to today’s podcast, where i am talking with wes and amanda about inflow and infiltration. first off, amanda, can you tell me what is inflow and infiltration<\/a>? i think we sometimes call that i\/i. can you tell me what those mean?<\/p>\nunderstanding the difference between inflow & infiltration<\/strong><\/h2>\namanda rodell (<\/strong>00:31<\/strong><\/a>):<\/strong><\/p>\nso, inflow and infiltration is pretty much when stormwater or groundwater makes its way into a sanitary sewer system, whether that’s going through manholes or leaking in through cracks in the pipe. and if this is in excess, it can overload the wastewater system and cause overflows, backups, and other problems within the system.<\/p>\ninfiltration in specific is when groundwater enters the sewer, and that can be through cracked pipes, fruit intrusions, damaged service connections, or degraded manholes. and this is typically a slower process that takes a little longer for that to occur.<\/p>\nnow, inflow is when surface stormwater enters the sewers, and that could be through damaged manhole covers when it’s running down the road and kind of slips into the system, storm drain cross connections, or when yard and roof drains are connected to the sanitary sewer.<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration increases operating costs<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (1:30)<\/strong><\/p>\nsince residents don’t typically have a sewer bill, i mean, there’s still that excess sewage going somewhere, and someone is paying to make sure it’s managed, correct?<\/p>\nwes farrand (1:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, a lot of systems have pump stations<\/a>, and increased flow is going to require that pump to run more often, which is going to require more power, more wear, and tear on the system, might require repair and maintenance sooner, and costs increase there.<\/a> and a lot of times, that’s buried costs cause the average citizen won’t see it, but it is going to be reflected in the operating budget of the system, and that operating budget has to be made up with either taxes, sewer user fees, or things like that at some point.<\/p>\ndetermining if your system has inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (2:03)<\/strong><\/p>\nokay, can you tell me how do we know that we have an i\/i problem or how do we define the scope of this?<\/p>\namanda rodell (02:10):<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s a couple of different ways to find out if your system is having problems with i\/i. one of those ways is looking at your pump stations and seeing how often they run. are they running continuously or more frequently when storm systems are coming through? another common way that people notice i n i problems are through backups and overflows in the system, which we typically try to avoid, but if those are occurring during storm events, typically, that’s a good note that i\/i is occurring in your system. system. and then one of the more common ways is looking at significant spikes in flows at flow meters or at your water treatment plant or wastewater treatment plant. and the epa even has guidance for municipal systems for what your flow should be per capita per day. and if a community system exceeds these values, that might indicate a problem with i\/i.<\/p>\nwes farrand (3:11)<\/strong><\/p>\ni’d add to that too. sometimes you may have an issue, and the community may not even realize it. it’s just part of how it’s always been operating. when you design, you design for mostly just your sanitary sewer flows but there is a factor in there for some peaking that you’re going to get, no matter how tight you build the sanitary sewer system<\/a>. but there’s excessive peaking that can come, especially with older systems, that is beyond that design level anticipated peak flow. sometimes you might notice it in one of those immediately tangible ways, but other times it might take a study with flow meters or other ways to measure flow during the dry season, base-level flows, and then compare that to what kind of flows happen during wet weather events to see what that peaking factor is. and there are some guidelines on what is a typical peaking factor versus what’s an excessive peaking factor that would indicate unacceptable levels of i\/i.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (3:56)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s a good answer, especially when you think about a lot of the rainfall events we’ve seemed to have over the last decade. i think a lot of system operators and managers can say they can reflect some correlations there. so, that’s really good advice. other than knowing you have a problem, how do you go about identifying where it’s coming from? you might be able to see it overflowing a manhole, but that’s not the exact manhole’s problem, correct?<\/p>\nidentifying\u00a0if your sewer has inflow or infiltration\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\namanda rodell (4:18)<\/strong><\/p>\nyes, if you see a manhole backing up, it could show that you’re having problems downstream and that it’s just backing up, and that was the weak point in the system, and that’s where it’s going to come out and show that you might be having these issues with i\/i.<\/p>\nwes farrand (4:34)<\/strong><\/p>\nit kind of comes down to, as mentioned before, the difference between what is inflow and what is infiltration part of the i\/i. sometimes with flow metering<\/a>,\u00a0 you can divide up a system into different sections and monitor the flow during dry seasons and wet seasons and you can kind of see a correlation between those peak flow times when the flow in the sewer is elevated, whether it comes immediately after a storm event. so, you can overlay those graphs and that information onto a rainfall. and if you see a real significant peak, right after the rainfall or right with the rainfall, then there’s a good chance that that’s an inflow type impact where it’s the floor drains or sump pumps or open manholes. we’ve seen that in the past where there are manholes that run down through a creek drainage way, and there are manhole covers that are off, and the creek just goes right down directly into the sanitary sewer.<\/p>\nthen also, the data can show the opposite or the other side of that, which is the infiltration side, that if that peak is more drawn out, delayed from the rainfall event, it can indicate a lot of times what would be primarily groundwater inflow coming through the cracks in the pipe, or even sometimes through sump pumps as they’re delayed as the groundwater comes up around homes and gets into those footing drain systems.<\/p>\na lot of times, it’s a good idea to do a comprehensive look at your i\/i both to look at, do we have footing drains in a certain neighborhood, is the pipe an old pipe? so, is it going to have a chance of a lot of infiltration coming in the cracks, or is it a new pipe that’s fairly tight? we’ve done studies where it’s just going to look for open manholes, things like that. so, a lot of times, it’s going to take a comprehensive look at all these different ways to pinpoint where the issue really is, and that helps go to the next step, which is how do you fix it.<\/p>\nbudgeting & identifying funding options for sanitary sewer rehabilitation\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (6:06)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think that we addressed early on the making of the dent in this to bring down the i\/i. the purpose of that is to save money in the long run on downstream infrastructure, but you’re going to have to spend to save. when do you start to spend to save? are there timing implications? when does it make sense maybe to start looking at some of these things?<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:24)<\/strong><\/p>\nfrom my perspective, it makes sense to look at them if you’re seeing wide swings in your sewer flow. if you’re seeing lots of high peaks during rainfall or during wet seasons, then it makes sense to start looking at something like an i\/i study or evaluation to just see what kind of costs impacts that’s having on your system.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (6:41)<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s no time like the present.<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:44)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, exactly. no time like the present. i think for any community that has old sewers, it’s worth at least a desktop look at what we should expect to see for sewer flow versus what are we seeing and does that point to a potential i\/i problem. and that is pretty easy to do upfront, and more often than not, most places have some level of i\/i issue that’s worth taking a look at or at least evaluating whether it makes sense to, like you said, spend a little money now to save a lot of money down the road.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (7:10)<\/strong><\/p>\nand since you’re talking about money, wes, is there money available to help begin this review?<\/p>\nwes farrand (7:14)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe srf, a state revolving fund program, does consider sewer rehabilitation projects as an eligible cost for their loan program<\/a>. it’s a reduced-rate loan that helps bring costs down quite a bit for a lot of communities. there are probably, i’m not exactly familiar with all the funding options<\/a> out there, but i think a cdbg or committee development block grant program out there that will help some to a certain level.<\/p>\ncommon sewer investigative techniques\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (7:35)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think what i’m hearing is that a lot of communities probably need more education as to why we should be looking at this regularly, so we can identify how much we could be saving in the future or daily. that’s an amazing assessment to make there.<\/p>\ncould you give me some more input on those basic principles and what you are looking for?<\/p>\namanda rodell (07:55)<\/strong><\/p>\nsmoke testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nso other than what i discussed before, looking at the backups and overflows, you can actually test for i\/i. one of those main ways is through smoke testing<\/a>, which involves you setting up a blower within the sewer system that pumps artificial non-toxic smoke through the sanitary sewer lines. the smoke is pressurized and will follow the path of leaks and reveal possible points of entry for i\/i, and the smoke will come out of damaged manholes, sewer pipes, roof drains, et cetera, where those weak points are.<\/p>\ndye testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother method for i\/i is dye testing<\/a>. this is when water is colored with a non-toxic dye, and it’s pumped through the groundwater or stormwater system that is being evaluated. if the dye appears within that sanitary source system. it indicates where the leak occurs, which typically, you can check at each manhole and see where that dye is starting to show up, and you can see where that leak is coming into the system.<\/p>\ncctv inspection<\/strong><\/h3>\nand then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and 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hello and welcome to today’s podcast, where i am talking with wes and amanda about inflow and infiltration. first off, amanda, can you tell me what is inflow and infiltration<\/a>? i think we sometimes call that i\/i. can you tell me what those mean?<\/p>\nunderstanding the difference between inflow & infiltration<\/strong><\/h2>\namanda rodell (<\/strong>00:31<\/strong><\/a>):<\/strong><\/p>\nso, inflow and infiltration is pretty much when stormwater or groundwater makes its way into a sanitary sewer system, whether that’s going through manholes or leaking in through cracks in the pipe. and if this is in excess, it can overload the wastewater system and cause overflows, backups, and other problems within the system.<\/p>\ninfiltration in specific is when groundwater enters the sewer, and that can be through cracked pipes, fruit intrusions, damaged service connections, or degraded manholes. and this is typically a slower process that takes a little longer for that to occur.<\/p>\nnow, inflow is when surface stormwater enters the sewers, and that could be through damaged manhole covers when it’s running down the road and kind of slips into the system, storm drain cross connections, or when yard and roof drains are connected to the sanitary sewer.<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration increases operating costs<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (1:30)<\/strong><\/p>\nsince residents don’t typically have a sewer bill, i mean, there’s still that excess sewage going somewhere, and someone is paying to make sure it’s managed, correct?<\/p>\nwes farrand (1:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, a lot of systems have pump stations<\/a>, and increased flow is going to require that pump to run more often, which is going to require more power, more wear, and tear on the system, might require repair and maintenance sooner, and costs increase there.<\/a> and a lot of times, that’s buried costs cause the average citizen won’t see it, but it is going to be reflected in the operating budget of the system, and that operating budget has to be made up with either taxes, sewer user fees, or things like that at some point.<\/p>\ndetermining if your system has inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (2:03)<\/strong><\/p>\nokay, can you tell me how do we know that we have an i\/i problem or how do we define the scope of this?<\/p>\namanda rodell (02:10):<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s a couple of different ways to find out if your system is having problems with i\/i. one of those ways is looking at your pump stations and seeing how often they run. are they running continuously or more frequently when storm systems are coming through? another common way that people notice i n i problems are through backups and overflows in the system, which we typically try to avoid, but if those are occurring during storm events, typically, that’s a good note that i\/i is occurring in your system. system. and then one of the more common ways is looking at significant spikes in flows at flow meters or at your water treatment plant or wastewater treatment plant. and the epa even has guidance for municipal systems for what your flow should be per capita per day. and if a community system exceeds these values, that might indicate a problem with i\/i.<\/p>\nwes farrand (3:11)<\/strong><\/p>\ni’d add to that too. sometimes you may have an issue, and the community may not even realize it. it’s just part of how it’s always been operating. when you design, you design for mostly just your sanitary sewer flows but there is a factor in there for some peaking that you’re going to get, no matter how tight you build the sanitary sewer system<\/a>. but there’s excessive peaking that can come, especially with older systems, that is beyond that design level anticipated peak flow. sometimes you might notice it in one of those immediately tangible ways, but other times it might take a study with flow meters or other ways to measure flow during the dry season, base-level flows, and then compare that to what kind of flows happen during wet weather events to see what that peaking factor is. and there are some guidelines on what is a typical peaking factor versus what’s an excessive peaking factor that would indicate unacceptable levels of i\/i.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (3:56)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s a good answer, especially when you think about a lot of the rainfall events we’ve seemed to have over the last decade. i think a lot of system operators and managers can say they can reflect some correlations there. so, that’s really good advice. other than knowing you have a problem, how do you go about identifying where it’s coming from? you might be able to see it overflowing a manhole, but that’s not the exact manhole’s problem, correct?<\/p>\nidentifying\u00a0if your sewer has inflow or infiltration\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\namanda rodell (4:18)<\/strong><\/p>\nyes, if you see a manhole backing up, it could show that you’re having problems downstream and that it’s just backing up, and that was the weak point in the system, and that’s where it’s going to come out and show that you might be having these issues with i\/i.<\/p>\nwes farrand (4:34)<\/strong><\/p>\nit kind of comes down to, as mentioned before, the difference between what is inflow and what is infiltration part of the i\/i. sometimes with flow metering<\/a>,\u00a0 you can divide up a system into different sections and monitor the flow during dry seasons and wet seasons and you can kind of see a correlation between those peak flow times when the flow in the sewer is elevated, whether it comes immediately after a storm event. so, you can overlay those graphs and that information onto a rainfall. and if you see a real significant peak, right after the rainfall or right with the rainfall, then there’s a good chance that that’s an inflow type impact where it’s the floor drains or sump pumps or open manholes. we’ve seen that in the past where there are manholes that run down through a creek drainage way, and there are manhole covers that are off, and the creek just goes right down directly into the sanitary sewer.<\/p>\nthen also, the data can show the opposite or the other side of that, which is the infiltration side, that if that peak is more drawn out, delayed from the rainfall event, it can indicate a lot of times what would be primarily groundwater inflow coming through the cracks in the pipe, or even sometimes through sump pumps as they’re delayed as the groundwater comes up around homes and gets into those footing drain systems.<\/p>\na lot of times, it’s a good idea to do a comprehensive look at your i\/i both to look at, do we have footing drains in a certain neighborhood, is the pipe an old pipe? so, is it going to have a chance of a lot of infiltration coming in the cracks, or is it a new pipe that’s fairly tight? we’ve done studies where it’s just going to look for open manholes, things like that. so, a lot of times, it’s going to take a comprehensive look at all these different ways to pinpoint where the issue really is, and that helps go to the next step, which is how do you fix it.<\/p>\nbudgeting & identifying funding options for sanitary sewer rehabilitation\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (6:06)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think that we addressed early on the making of the dent in this to bring down the i\/i. the purpose of that is to save money in the long run on downstream infrastructure, but you’re going to have to spend to save. when do you start to spend to save? are there timing implications? when does it make sense maybe to start looking at some of these things?<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:24)<\/strong><\/p>\nfrom my perspective, it makes sense to look at them if you’re seeing wide swings in your sewer flow. if you’re seeing lots of high peaks during rainfall or during wet seasons, then it makes sense to start looking at something like an i\/i study or evaluation to just see what kind of costs impacts that’s having on your system.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (6:41)<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s no time like the present.<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:44)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, exactly. no time like the present. i think for any community that has old sewers, it’s worth at least a desktop look at what we should expect to see for sewer flow versus what are we seeing and does that point to a potential i\/i problem. and that is pretty easy to do upfront, and more often than not, most places have some level of i\/i issue that’s worth taking a look at or at least evaluating whether it makes sense to, like you said, spend a little money now to save a lot of money down the road.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (7:10)<\/strong><\/p>\nand since you’re talking about money, wes, is there money available to help begin this review?<\/p>\nwes farrand (7:14)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe srf, a state revolving fund program, does consider sewer rehabilitation projects as an eligible cost for their loan program<\/a>. it’s a reduced-rate loan that helps bring costs down quite a bit for a lot of communities. there are probably, i’m not exactly familiar with all the funding options<\/a> out there, but i think a cdbg or committee development block grant program out there that will help some to a certain level.<\/p>\ncommon sewer investigative techniques\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (7:35)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think what i’m hearing is that a lot of communities probably need more education as to why we should be looking at this regularly, so we can identify how much we could be saving in the future or daily. that’s an amazing assessment to make there.<\/p>\ncould you give me some more input on those basic principles and what you are looking for?<\/p>\namanda rodell (07:55)<\/strong><\/p>\nsmoke testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nso other than what i discussed before, looking at the backups and overflows, you can actually test for i\/i. one of those main ways is through smoke testing<\/a>, which involves you setting up a blower within the sewer system that pumps artificial non-toxic smoke through the sanitary sewer lines. the smoke is pressurized and will follow the path of leaks and reveal possible points of entry for i\/i, and the smoke will come out of damaged manholes, sewer pipes, roof drains, et cetera, where those weak points are.<\/p>\ndye testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother method for i\/i is dye testing<\/a>. this is when water is colored with a non-toxic dye, and it’s pumped through the groundwater or stormwater system that is being evaluated. if the dye appears within that sanitary source system. it indicates where the leak occurs, which typically, you can check at each manhole and see where that dye is starting to show up, and you can see where that leak is coming into the system.<\/p>\ncctv inspection<\/strong><\/h3>\nand then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 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amanda rodell (<\/strong>00:31<\/strong><\/a>):<\/strong><\/p>\nso, inflow and infiltration is pretty much when stormwater or groundwater makes its way into a sanitary sewer system, whether that’s going through manholes or leaking in through cracks in the pipe. and if this is in excess, it can overload the wastewater system and cause overflows, backups, and other problems within the system.<\/p>\ninfiltration in specific is when groundwater enters the sewer, and that can be through cracked pipes, fruit intrusions, damaged service connections, or degraded manholes. and this is typically a slower process that takes a little longer for that to occur.<\/p>\nnow, inflow is when surface stormwater enters the sewers, and that could be through damaged manhole covers when it’s running down the road and kind of slips into the system, storm drain cross connections, or when yard and roof drains are connected to the sanitary sewer.<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration increases operating costs<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (1:30)<\/strong><\/p>\nsince residents don’t typically have a sewer bill, i mean, there’s still that excess sewage going somewhere, and someone is paying to make sure it’s managed, correct?<\/p>\nwes farrand (1:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, a lot of systems have pump stations<\/a>, and increased flow is going to require that pump to run more often, which is going to require more power, more wear, and tear on the system, might require repair and maintenance sooner, and costs increase there.<\/a> and a lot of times, that’s buried costs cause the average citizen won’t see it, but it is going to be reflected in the operating budget of the system, and that operating budget has to be made up with either taxes, sewer user fees, or things like that at some point.<\/p>\ndetermining if your system has inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (2:03)<\/strong><\/p>\nokay, can you tell me how do we know that we have an i\/i problem or how do we define the scope of this?<\/p>\namanda rodell (02:10):<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s a couple of different ways to find out if your system is having problems with i\/i. one of those ways is looking at your pump stations and seeing how often they run. are they running continuously or more frequently when storm systems are coming through? another common way that people notice i n i problems are through backups and overflows in the system, which we typically try to avoid, but if those are occurring during storm events, typically, that’s a good note that i\/i is occurring in your system. system. and then one of the more common ways is looking at significant spikes in flows at flow meters or at your water treatment plant or wastewater treatment plant. and the epa even has guidance for municipal systems for what your flow should be per capita per day. and if a community system exceeds these values, that might indicate a problem with i\/i.<\/p>\nwes farrand (3:11)<\/strong><\/p>\ni’d add to that too. sometimes you may have an issue, and the community may not even realize it. it’s just part of how it’s always been operating. when you design, you design for mostly just your sanitary sewer flows but there is a factor in there for some peaking that you’re going to get, no matter how tight you build the sanitary sewer system<\/a>. but there’s excessive peaking that can come, especially with older systems, that is beyond that design level anticipated peak flow. sometimes you might notice it in one of those immediately tangible ways, but other times it might take a study with flow meters or other ways to measure flow during the dry season, base-level flows, and then compare that to what kind of flows happen during wet weather events to see what that peaking factor is. and there are some guidelines on what is a typical peaking factor versus what’s an excessive peaking factor that would indicate unacceptable levels of i\/i.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (3:56)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s a good answer, especially when you think about a lot of the rainfall events we’ve seemed to have over the last decade. i think a lot of system operators and managers can say they can reflect some correlations there. so, that’s really good advice. other than knowing you have a problem, how do you go about identifying where it’s coming from? you might be able to see it overflowing a manhole, but that’s not the exact manhole’s problem, correct?<\/p>\nidentifying\u00a0if your sewer has inflow or infiltration\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\namanda rodell (4:18)<\/strong><\/p>\nyes, if you see a manhole backing up, it could show that you’re having problems downstream and that it’s just backing up, and that was the weak point in the system, and that’s where it’s going to come out and show that you might be having these issues with i\/i.<\/p>\nwes farrand (4:34)<\/strong><\/p>\nit kind of comes down to, as mentioned before, the difference between what is inflow and what is infiltration part of the i\/i. sometimes with flow metering<\/a>,\u00a0 you can divide up a system into different sections and monitor the flow during dry seasons and wet seasons and you can kind of see a correlation between those peak flow times when the flow in the sewer is elevated, whether it comes immediately after a storm event. so, you can overlay those graphs and that information onto a rainfall. and if you see a real significant peak, right after the rainfall or right with the rainfall, then there’s a good chance that that’s an inflow type impact where it’s the floor drains or sump pumps or open manholes. we’ve seen that in the past where there are manholes that run down through a creek drainage way, and there are manhole covers that are off, and the creek just goes right down directly into the sanitary sewer.<\/p>\nthen also, the data can show the opposite or the other side of that, which is the infiltration side, that if that peak is more drawn out, delayed from the rainfall event, it can indicate a lot of times what would be primarily groundwater inflow coming through the cracks in the pipe, or even sometimes through sump pumps as they’re delayed as the groundwater comes up around homes and gets into those footing drain systems.<\/p>\na lot of times, it’s a good idea to do a comprehensive look at your i\/i both to look at, do we have footing drains in a certain neighborhood, is the pipe an old pipe? so, is it going to have a chance of a lot of infiltration coming in the cracks, or is it a new pipe that’s fairly tight? we’ve done studies where it’s just going to look for open manholes, things like that. so, a lot of times, it’s going to take a comprehensive look at all these different ways to pinpoint where the issue really is, and that helps go to the next step, which is how do you fix it.<\/p>\nbudgeting & identifying funding options for sanitary sewer rehabilitation\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (6:06)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think that we addressed early on the making of the dent in this to bring down the i\/i. the purpose of that is to save money in the long run on downstream infrastructure, but you’re going to have to spend to save. when do you start to spend to save? are there timing implications? when does it make sense maybe to start looking at some of these things?<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:24)<\/strong><\/p>\nfrom my perspective, it makes sense to look at them if you’re seeing wide swings in your sewer flow. if you’re seeing lots of high peaks during rainfall or during wet seasons, then it makes sense to start looking at something like an i\/i study or evaluation to just see what kind of costs impacts that’s having on your system.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (6:41)<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s no time like the present.<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:44)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, exactly. no time like the present. i think for any community that has old sewers, it’s worth at least a desktop look at what we should expect to see for sewer flow versus what are we seeing and does that point to a potential i\/i problem. and that is pretty easy to do upfront, and more often than not, most places have some level of i\/i issue that’s worth taking a look at or at least evaluating whether it makes sense to, like you said, spend a little money now to save a lot of money down the road.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (7:10)<\/strong><\/p>\nand since you’re talking about money, wes, is there money available to help begin this review?<\/p>\nwes farrand (7:14)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe srf, a state revolving fund program, does consider sewer rehabilitation projects as an eligible cost for their loan program<\/a>. it’s a reduced-rate loan that helps bring costs down quite a bit for a lot of communities. there are probably, i’m not exactly familiar with all the funding options<\/a> out there, but i think a cdbg or committee development block grant program out there that will help some to a certain level.<\/p>\ncommon sewer investigative techniques\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (7:35)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think what i’m hearing is that a lot of communities probably need more education as to why we should be looking at this regularly, so we can identify how much we could be saving in the future or daily. that’s an amazing assessment to make there.<\/p>\ncould you give me some more input on those basic principles and what you are looking for?<\/p>\namanda rodell (07:55)<\/strong><\/p>\nsmoke testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nso other than what i discussed before, looking at the backups and overflows, you can actually test for i\/i. one of those main ways is through smoke testing<\/a>, which involves you setting up a blower within the sewer system that pumps artificial non-toxic smoke through the sanitary sewer lines. the smoke is pressurized and will follow the path of leaks and reveal possible points of entry for i\/i, and the smoke will come out of damaged manholes, sewer pipes, roof drains, et cetera, where those weak points are.<\/p>\ndye testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother method for i\/i is dye testing<\/a>. this is when water is colored with a non-toxic dye, and it’s pumped through the groundwater or stormwater system that is being evaluated. if the dye appears within that sanitary source system. it indicates where the leak occurs, which typically, you can check at each manhole and see where that dye is starting to show up, and you can see where that leak is coming into the system.<\/p>\ncctv inspection<\/strong><\/h3>\nand then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both 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so, inflow and infiltration is pretty much when stormwater or groundwater makes its way into a sanitary sewer system, whether that’s going through manholes or leaking in through cracks in the pipe. and if this is in excess, it can overload the wastewater system and cause overflows, backups, and other problems within the system.<\/p>\n
infiltration in specific is when groundwater enters the sewer, and that can be through cracked pipes, fruit intrusions, damaged service connections, or degraded manholes. and this is typically a slower process that takes a little longer for that to occur.<\/p>\n
now, inflow is when surface stormwater enters the sewers, and that could be through damaged manhole covers when it’s running down the road and kind of slips into the system, storm drain cross connections, or when yard and roof drains are connected to the sanitary sewer.<\/p>\n
lindsay beaman (1:30)<\/strong><\/p>\nsince residents don’t typically have a sewer bill, i mean, there’s still that excess sewage going somewhere, and someone is paying to make sure it’s managed, correct?<\/p>\nwes farrand (1:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, a lot of systems have pump stations<\/a>, and increased flow is going to require that pump to run more often, which is going to require more power, more wear, and tear on the system, might require repair and maintenance sooner, and costs increase there.<\/a> and a lot of times, that’s buried costs cause the average citizen won’t see it, but it is going to be reflected in the operating budget of the system, and that operating budget has to be made up with either taxes, sewer user fees, or things like that at some point.<\/p>\ndetermining if your system has inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (2:03)<\/strong><\/p>\nokay, can you tell me how do we know that we have an i\/i problem or how do we define the scope of this?<\/p>\namanda rodell (02:10):<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s a couple of different ways to find out if your system is having problems with i\/i. one of those ways is looking at your pump stations and seeing how often they run. are they running continuously or more frequently when storm systems are coming through? another common way that people notice i n i problems are through backups and overflows in the system, which we typically try to avoid, but if those are occurring during storm events, typically, that’s a good note that i\/i is occurring in your system. system. and then one of the more common ways is looking at significant spikes in flows at flow meters or at your water treatment plant or wastewater treatment plant. and the epa even has guidance for municipal systems for what your flow should be per capita per day. and if a community system exceeds these values, that might indicate a problem with i\/i.<\/p>\nwes farrand (3:11)<\/strong><\/p>\ni’d add to that too. sometimes you may have an issue, and the community may not even realize it. it’s just part of how it’s always been operating. when you design, you design for mostly just your sanitary sewer flows but there is a factor in there for some peaking that you’re going to get, no matter how tight you build the sanitary sewer system<\/a>. but there’s excessive peaking that can come, especially with older systems, that is beyond that design level anticipated peak flow. sometimes you might notice it in one of those immediately tangible ways, but other times it might take a study with flow meters or other ways to measure flow during the dry season, base-level flows, and then compare that to what kind of flows happen during wet weather events to see what that peaking factor is. and there are some guidelines on what is a typical peaking factor versus what’s an excessive peaking factor that would indicate unacceptable levels of i\/i.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (3:56)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s a good answer, especially when you think about a lot of the rainfall events we’ve seemed to have over the last decade. i think a lot of system operators and managers can say they can reflect some correlations there. so, that’s really good advice. other than knowing you have a problem, how do you go about identifying where it’s coming from? you might be able to see it overflowing a manhole, but that’s not the exact manhole’s problem, correct?<\/p>\nidentifying\u00a0if your sewer has inflow or infiltration\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\namanda rodell (4:18)<\/strong><\/p>\nyes, if you see a manhole backing up, it could show that you’re having problems downstream and that it’s just backing up, and that was the weak point in the system, and that’s where it’s going to come out and show that you might be having these issues with i\/i.<\/p>\nwes farrand (4:34)<\/strong><\/p>\nit kind of comes down to, as mentioned before, the difference between what is inflow and what is infiltration part of the i\/i. sometimes with flow metering<\/a>,\u00a0 you can divide up a system into different sections and monitor the flow during dry seasons and wet seasons and you can kind of see a correlation between those peak flow times when the flow in the sewer is elevated, whether it comes immediately after a storm event. so, you can overlay those graphs and that information onto a rainfall. and if you see a real significant peak, right after the rainfall or right with the rainfall, then there’s a good chance that that’s an inflow type impact where it’s the floor drains or sump pumps or open manholes. we’ve seen that in the past where there are manholes that run down through a creek drainage way, and there are manhole covers that are off, and the creek just goes right down directly into the sanitary sewer.<\/p>\nthen also, the data can show the opposite or the other side of that, which is the infiltration side, that if that peak is more drawn out, delayed from the rainfall event, it can indicate a lot of times what would be primarily groundwater inflow coming through the cracks in the pipe, or even sometimes through sump pumps as they’re delayed as the groundwater comes up around homes and gets into those footing drain systems.<\/p>\na lot of times, it’s a good idea to do a comprehensive look at your i\/i both to look at, do we have footing drains in a certain neighborhood, is the pipe an old pipe? so, is it going to have a chance of a lot of infiltration coming in the cracks, or is it a new pipe that’s fairly tight? we’ve done studies where it’s just going to look for open manholes, things like that. so, a lot of times, it’s going to take a comprehensive look at all these different ways to pinpoint where the issue really is, and that helps go to the next step, which is how do you fix it.<\/p>\nbudgeting & identifying funding options for sanitary sewer rehabilitation\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (6:06)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think that we addressed early on the making of the dent in this to bring down the i\/i. the purpose of that is to save money in the long run on downstream infrastructure, but you’re going to have to spend to save. when do you start to spend to save? are there timing implications? when does it make sense maybe to start looking at some of these things?<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:24)<\/strong><\/p>\nfrom my perspective, it makes sense to look at them if you’re seeing wide swings in your sewer flow. if you’re seeing lots of high peaks during rainfall or during wet seasons, then it makes sense to start looking at something like an i\/i study or evaluation to just see what kind of costs impacts that’s having on your system.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (6:41)<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s no time like the present.<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:44)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, exactly. no time like the present. i think for any community that has old sewers, it’s worth at least a desktop look at what we should expect to see for sewer flow versus what are we seeing and does that point to a potential i\/i problem. and that is pretty easy to do upfront, and more often than not, most places have some level of i\/i issue that’s worth taking a look at or at least evaluating whether it makes sense to, like you said, spend a little money now to save a lot of money down the road.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (7:10)<\/strong><\/p>\nand since you’re talking about money, wes, is there money available to help begin this review?<\/p>\nwes farrand (7:14)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe srf, a state revolving fund program, does consider sewer rehabilitation projects as an eligible cost for their loan program<\/a>. it’s a reduced-rate loan that helps bring costs down quite a bit for a lot of communities. there are probably, i’m not exactly familiar with all the funding options<\/a> out there, but i think a cdbg or committee development block grant program out there that will help some to a certain level.<\/p>\ncommon sewer investigative techniques\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (7:35)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think what i’m hearing is that a lot of communities probably need more education as to why we should be looking at this regularly, so we can identify how much we could be saving in the future or daily. that’s an amazing assessment to make there.<\/p>\ncould you give me some more input on those basic principles and what you are looking for?<\/p>\namanda rodell (07:55)<\/strong><\/p>\nsmoke testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nso other than what i discussed before, looking at the backups and overflows, you can actually test for i\/i. one of those main ways is through smoke testing<\/a>, which involves you setting up a blower within the sewer system that pumps artificial non-toxic smoke through the sanitary sewer lines. the smoke is pressurized and will follow the path of leaks and reveal possible points of entry for i\/i, and the smoke will come out of damaged manholes, sewer pipes, roof drains, et cetera, where those weak points are.<\/p>\ndye testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother method for i\/i is dye testing<\/a>. this is when water is colored with a non-toxic dye, and it’s pumped through the groundwater or stormwater system that is being evaluated. if the dye appears within that sanitary source system. it indicates where the leak occurs, which typically, you can check at each manhole and see where that dye is starting to show up, and you can see where that leak is coming into the system.<\/p>\ncctv inspection<\/strong><\/h3>\nand then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both 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since residents don’t typically have a sewer bill, i mean, there’s still that excess sewage going somewhere, and someone is paying to make sure it’s managed, correct?<\/p>\n
wes farrand (1:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, a lot of systems have pump stations<\/a>, and increased flow is going to require that pump to run more often, which is going to require more power, more wear, and tear on the system, might require repair and maintenance sooner, and costs increase there.<\/a> and a lot of times, that’s buried costs cause the average citizen won’t see it, but it is going to be reflected in the operating budget of the system, and that operating budget has to be made up with either taxes, sewer user fees, or things like that at some point.<\/p>\ndetermining if your system has inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (2:03)<\/strong><\/p>\nokay, can you tell me how do we know that we have an i\/i problem or how do we define the scope of this?<\/p>\namanda rodell (02:10):<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s a couple of different ways to find out if your system is having problems with i\/i. one of those ways is looking at your pump stations and seeing how often they run. are they running continuously or more frequently when storm systems are coming through? another common way that people notice i n i problems are through backups and overflows in the system, which we typically try to avoid, but if those are occurring during storm events, typically, that’s a good note that i\/i is occurring in your system. system. and then one of the more common ways is looking at significant spikes in flows at flow meters or at your water treatment plant or wastewater treatment plant. and the epa even has guidance for municipal systems for what your flow should be per capita per day. and if a community system exceeds these values, that might indicate a problem with i\/i.<\/p>\nwes farrand (3:11)<\/strong><\/p>\ni’d add to that too. sometimes you may have an issue, and the community may not even realize it. it’s just part of how it’s always been operating. when you design, you design for mostly just your sanitary sewer flows but there is a factor in there for some peaking that you’re going to get, no matter how tight you build the sanitary sewer system<\/a>. but there’s excessive peaking that can come, especially with older systems, that is beyond that design level anticipated peak flow. sometimes you might notice it in one of those immediately tangible ways, but other times it might take a study with flow meters or other ways to measure flow during the dry season, base-level flows, and then compare that to what kind of flows happen during wet weather events to see what that peaking factor is. and there are some guidelines on what is a typical peaking factor versus what’s an excessive peaking factor that would indicate unacceptable levels of i\/i.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (3:56)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s a good answer, especially when you think about a lot of the rainfall events we’ve seemed to have over the last decade. i think a lot of system operators and managers can say they can reflect some correlations there. so, that’s really good advice. other than knowing you have a problem, how do you go about identifying where it’s coming from? you might be able to see it overflowing a manhole, but that’s not the exact manhole’s problem, correct?<\/p>\nidentifying\u00a0if your sewer has inflow or infiltration\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\namanda rodell (4:18)<\/strong><\/p>\nyes, if you see a manhole backing up, it could show that you’re having problems downstream and that it’s just backing up, and that was the weak point in the system, and that’s where it’s going to come out and show that you might be having these issues with i\/i.<\/p>\nwes farrand (4:34)<\/strong><\/p>\nit kind of comes down to, as mentioned before, the difference between what is inflow and what is infiltration part of the i\/i. sometimes with flow metering<\/a>,\u00a0 you can divide up a system into different sections and monitor the flow during dry seasons and wet seasons and you can kind of see a correlation between those peak flow times when the flow in the sewer is elevated, whether it comes immediately after a storm event. so, you can overlay those graphs and that information onto a rainfall. and if you see a real significant peak, right after the rainfall or right with the rainfall, then there’s a good chance that that’s an inflow type impact where it’s the floor drains or sump pumps or open manholes. we’ve seen that in the past where there are manholes that run down through a creek drainage way, and there are manhole covers that are off, and the creek just goes right down directly into the sanitary sewer.<\/p>\nthen also, the data can show the opposite or the other side of that, which is the infiltration side, that if that peak is more drawn out, delayed from the rainfall event, it can indicate a lot of times what would be primarily groundwater inflow coming through the cracks in the pipe, or even sometimes through sump pumps as they’re delayed as the groundwater comes up around homes and gets into those footing drain systems.<\/p>\na lot of times, it’s a good idea to do a comprehensive look at your i\/i both to look at, do we have footing drains in a certain neighborhood, is the pipe an old pipe? so, is it going to have a chance of a lot of infiltration coming in the cracks, or is it a new pipe that’s fairly tight? we’ve done studies where it’s just going to look for open manholes, things like that. so, a lot of times, it’s going to take a comprehensive look at all these different ways to pinpoint where the issue really is, and that helps go to the next step, which is how do you fix it.<\/p>\nbudgeting & identifying funding options for sanitary sewer rehabilitation\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (6:06)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think that we addressed early on the making of the dent in this to bring down the i\/i. the purpose of that is to save money in the long run on downstream infrastructure, but you’re going to have to spend to save. when do you start to spend to save? are there timing implications? when does it make sense maybe to start looking at some of these things?<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:24)<\/strong><\/p>\nfrom my perspective, it makes sense to look at them if you’re seeing wide swings in your sewer flow. if you’re seeing lots of high peaks during rainfall or during wet seasons, then it makes sense to start looking at something like an i\/i study or evaluation to just see what kind of costs impacts that’s having on your system.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (6:41)<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s no time like the present.<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:44)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, exactly. no time like the present. i think for any community that has old sewers, it’s worth at least a desktop look at what we should expect to see for sewer flow versus what are we seeing and does that point to a potential i\/i problem. and that is pretty easy to do upfront, and more often than not, most places have some level of i\/i issue that’s worth taking a look at or at least evaluating whether it makes sense to, like you said, spend a little money now to save a lot of money down the road.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (7:10)<\/strong><\/p>\nand since you’re talking about money, wes, is there money available to help begin this review?<\/p>\nwes farrand (7:14)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe srf, a state revolving fund program, does consider sewer rehabilitation projects as an eligible cost for their loan program<\/a>. it’s a reduced-rate loan that helps bring costs down quite a bit for a lot of communities. there are probably, i’m not exactly familiar with all the funding options<\/a> out there, but i think a cdbg or committee development block grant program out there that will help some to a certain level.<\/p>\ncommon sewer investigative techniques\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (7:35)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think what i’m hearing is that a lot of communities probably need more education as to why we should be looking at this regularly, so we can identify how much we could be saving in the future or daily. that’s an amazing assessment to make there.<\/p>\ncould you give me some more input on those basic principles and what you are looking for?<\/p>\namanda rodell (07:55)<\/strong><\/p>\nsmoke testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nso other than what i discussed before, looking at the backups and overflows, you can actually test for i\/i. one of those main ways is through smoke testing<\/a>, which involves you setting up a blower within the sewer system that pumps artificial non-toxic smoke through the sanitary sewer lines. the smoke is pressurized and will follow the path of leaks and reveal possible points of entry for i\/i, and the smoke will come out of damaged manholes, sewer pipes, roof drains, et cetera, where those weak points are.<\/p>\ndye testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother method for i\/i is dye testing<\/a>. this is when water is colored with a non-toxic dye, and it’s pumped through the groundwater or stormwater system that is being evaluated. if the dye appears within that sanitary source system. it indicates where the leak occurs, which typically, you can check at each manhole and see where that dye is starting to show up, and you can see where that leak is coming into the system.<\/p>\ncctv inspection<\/strong><\/h3>\nand then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding 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yeah, a lot of systems have pump stations<\/a>, and increased flow is going to require that pump to run more often, which is going to require more power, more wear, and tear on the system, might require repair and maintenance sooner, and costs increase there.<\/a> and a lot of times, that’s buried costs cause the average citizen won’t see it, but it is going to be reflected in the operating budget of the system, and that operating budget has to be made up with either taxes, sewer user fees, or things like that at some point.<\/p>\ndetermining if your system has inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (2:03)<\/strong><\/p>\nokay, can you tell me how do we know that we have an i\/i problem or how do we define the scope of this?<\/p>\namanda rodell (02:10):<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s a couple of different ways to find out if your system is having problems with i\/i. one of those ways is looking at your pump stations and seeing how often they run. are they running continuously or more frequently when storm systems are coming through? another common way that people notice i n i problems are through backups and overflows in the system, which we typically try to avoid, but if those are occurring during storm events, typically, that’s a good note that i\/i is occurring in your system. system. and then one of the more common ways is looking at significant spikes in flows at flow meters or at your water treatment plant or wastewater treatment plant. and the epa even has guidance for municipal systems for what your flow should be per capita per day. and if a community system exceeds these values, that might indicate a problem with i\/i.<\/p>\nwes farrand (3:11)<\/strong><\/p>\ni’d add to that too. sometimes you may have an issue, and the community may not even realize it. it’s just part of how it’s always been operating. when you design, you design for mostly just your sanitary sewer flows but there is a factor in there for some peaking that you’re going to get, no matter how tight you build the sanitary sewer system<\/a>. but there’s excessive peaking that can come, especially with older systems, that is beyond that design level anticipated peak flow. sometimes you might notice it in one of those immediately tangible ways, but other times it might take a study with flow meters or other ways to measure flow during the dry season, base-level flows, and then compare that to what kind of flows happen during wet weather events to see what that peaking factor is. and there are some guidelines on what is a typical peaking factor versus what’s an excessive peaking factor that would indicate unacceptable levels of i\/i.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (3:56)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s a good answer, especially when you think about a lot of the rainfall events we’ve seemed to have over the last decade. i think a lot of system operators and managers can say they can reflect some correlations there. so, that’s really good advice. other than knowing you have a problem, how do you go about identifying where it’s coming from? you might be able to see it overflowing a manhole, but that’s not the exact manhole’s problem, correct?<\/p>\nidentifying\u00a0if your sewer has inflow or infiltration\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\namanda rodell (4:18)<\/strong><\/p>\nyes, if you see a manhole backing up, it could show that you’re having problems downstream and that it’s just backing up, and that was the weak point in the system, and that’s where it’s going to come out and show that you might be having these issues with i\/i.<\/p>\nwes farrand (4:34)<\/strong><\/p>\nit kind of comes down to, as mentioned before, the difference between what is inflow and what is infiltration part of the i\/i. sometimes with flow metering<\/a>,\u00a0 you can divide up a system into different sections and monitor the flow during dry seasons and wet seasons and you can kind of see a correlation between those peak flow times when the flow in the sewer is elevated, whether it comes immediately after a storm event. so, you can overlay those graphs and that information onto a rainfall. and if you see a real significant peak, right after the rainfall or right with the rainfall, then there’s a good chance that that’s an inflow type impact where it’s the floor drains or sump pumps or open manholes. we’ve seen that in the past where there are manholes that run down through a creek drainage way, and there are manhole covers that are off, and the creek just goes right down directly into the sanitary sewer.<\/p>\nthen also, the data can show the opposite or the other side of that, which is the infiltration side, that if that peak is more drawn out, delayed from the rainfall event, it can indicate a lot of times what would be primarily groundwater inflow coming through the cracks in the pipe, or even sometimes through sump pumps as they’re delayed as the groundwater comes up around homes and gets into those footing drain systems.<\/p>\na lot of times, it’s a good idea to do a comprehensive look at your i\/i both to look at, do we have footing drains in a certain neighborhood, is the pipe an old pipe? so, is it going to have a chance of a lot of infiltration coming in the cracks, or is it a new pipe that’s fairly tight? we’ve done studies where it’s just going to look for open manholes, things like that. so, a lot of times, it’s going to take a comprehensive look at all these different ways to pinpoint where the issue really is, and that helps go to the next step, which is how do you fix it.<\/p>\nbudgeting & identifying funding options for sanitary sewer rehabilitation\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (6:06)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think that we addressed early on the making of the dent in this to bring down the i\/i. the purpose of that is to save money in the long run on downstream infrastructure, but you’re going to have to spend to save. when do you start to spend to save? are there timing implications? when does it make sense maybe to start looking at some of these things?<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:24)<\/strong><\/p>\nfrom my perspective, it makes sense to look at them if you’re seeing wide swings in your sewer flow. if you’re seeing lots of high peaks during rainfall or during wet seasons, then it makes sense to start looking at something like an i\/i study or evaluation to just see what kind of costs impacts that’s having on your system.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (6:41)<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s no time like the present.<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:44)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, exactly. no time like the present. i think for any community that has old sewers, it’s worth at least a desktop look at what we should expect to see for sewer flow versus what are we seeing and does that point to a potential i\/i problem. and that is pretty easy to do upfront, and more often than not, most places have some level of i\/i issue that’s worth taking a look at or at least evaluating whether it makes sense to, like you said, spend a little money now to save a lot of money down the road.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (7:10)<\/strong><\/p>\nand since you’re talking about money, wes, is there money available to help begin this review?<\/p>\nwes farrand (7:14)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe srf, a state revolving fund program, does consider sewer rehabilitation projects as an eligible cost for their loan program<\/a>. it’s a reduced-rate loan that helps bring costs down quite a bit for a lot of communities. there are probably, i’m not exactly familiar with all the funding options<\/a> out there, but i think a cdbg or committee development block grant program out there that will help some to a certain level.<\/p>\ncommon sewer investigative techniques\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (7:35)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think what i’m hearing is that a lot of communities probably need more education as to why we should be looking at this regularly, so we can identify how much we could be saving in the future or daily. that’s an amazing assessment to make there.<\/p>\ncould you give me some more input on those basic principles and what you are looking for?<\/p>\namanda rodell (07:55)<\/strong><\/p>\nsmoke testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nso other than what i discussed before, looking at the backups and overflows, you can actually test for i\/i. one of those main ways is through smoke testing<\/a>, which involves you setting up a blower within the sewer system that pumps artificial non-toxic smoke through the sanitary sewer lines. the smoke is pressurized and will follow the path of leaks and reveal possible points of entry for i\/i, and the smoke will come out of damaged manholes, sewer pipes, roof drains, et cetera, where those weak points are.<\/p>\ndye testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother method for i\/i is dye testing<\/a>. this is when water is colored with a non-toxic dye, and it’s pumped through the groundwater or stormwater system that is being evaluated. if the dye appears within that sanitary source system. it indicates where the leak occurs, which typically, you can check at each manhole and see where that dye is starting to show up, and you can see where that leak is coming into the system.<\/p>\ncctv inspection<\/strong><\/h3>\nand then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding 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lindsay beaman (2:03)<\/strong><\/p>\nokay, can you tell me how do we know that we have an i\/i problem or how do we define the scope of this?<\/p>\namanda rodell (02:10):<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s a couple of different ways to find out if your system is having problems with i\/i. one of those ways is looking at your pump stations and seeing how often they run. are they running continuously or more frequently when storm systems are coming through? another common way that people notice i n i problems are through backups and overflows in the system, which we typically try to avoid, but if those are occurring during storm events, typically, that’s a good note that i\/i is occurring in your system. system. and then one of the more common ways is looking at significant spikes in flows at flow meters or at your water treatment plant or wastewater treatment plant. and the epa even has guidance for municipal systems for what your flow should be per capita per day. and if a community system exceeds these values, that might indicate a problem with i\/i.<\/p>\nwes farrand (3:11)<\/strong><\/p>\ni’d add to that too. sometimes you may have an issue, and the community may not even realize it. it’s just part of how it’s always been operating. when you design, you design for mostly just your sanitary sewer flows but there is a factor in there for some peaking that you’re going to get, no matter how tight you build the sanitary sewer system<\/a>. but there’s excessive peaking that can come, especially with older systems, that is beyond that design level anticipated peak flow. sometimes you might notice it in one of those immediately tangible ways, but other times it might take a study with flow meters or other ways to measure flow during the dry season, base-level flows, and then compare that to what kind of flows happen during wet weather events to see what that peaking factor is. and there are some guidelines on what is a typical peaking factor versus what’s an excessive peaking factor that would indicate unacceptable levels of i\/i.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (3:56)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s a good answer, especially when you think about a lot of the rainfall events we’ve seemed to have over the last decade. i think a lot of system operators and managers can say they can reflect some correlations there. so, that’s really good advice. other than knowing you have a problem, how do you go about identifying where it’s coming from? you might be able to see it overflowing a manhole, but that’s not the exact manhole’s problem, correct?<\/p>\nidentifying\u00a0if your sewer has inflow or infiltration\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\namanda rodell (4:18)<\/strong><\/p>\nyes, if you see a manhole backing up, it could show that you’re having problems downstream and that it’s just backing up, and that was the weak point in the system, and that’s where it’s going to come out and show that you might be having these issues with i\/i.<\/p>\nwes farrand (4:34)<\/strong><\/p>\nit kind of comes down to, as mentioned before, the difference between what is inflow and what is infiltration part of the i\/i. sometimes with flow metering<\/a>,\u00a0 you can divide up a system into different sections and monitor the flow during dry seasons and wet seasons and you can kind of see a correlation between those peak flow times when the flow in the sewer is elevated, whether it comes immediately after a storm event. so, you can overlay those graphs and that information onto a rainfall. and if you see a real significant peak, right after the rainfall or right with the rainfall, then there’s a good chance that that’s an inflow type impact where it’s the floor drains or sump pumps or open manholes. we’ve seen that in the past where there are manholes that run down through a creek drainage way, and there are manhole covers that are off, and the creek just goes right down directly into the sanitary sewer.<\/p>\nthen also, the data can show the opposite or the other side of that, which is the infiltration side, that if that peak is more drawn out, delayed from the rainfall event, it can indicate a lot of times what would be primarily groundwater inflow coming through the cracks in the pipe, or even sometimes through sump pumps as they’re delayed as the groundwater comes up around homes and gets into those footing drain systems.<\/p>\na lot of times, it’s a good idea to do a comprehensive look at your i\/i both to look at, do we have footing drains in a certain neighborhood, is the pipe an old pipe? so, is it going to have a chance of a lot of infiltration coming in the cracks, or is it a new pipe that’s fairly tight? we’ve done studies where it’s just going to look for open manholes, things like that. so, a lot of times, it’s going to take a comprehensive look at all these different ways to pinpoint where the issue really is, and that helps go to the next step, which is how do you fix it.<\/p>\nbudgeting & identifying funding options for sanitary sewer rehabilitation\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (6:06)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think that we addressed early on the making of the dent in this to bring down the i\/i. the purpose of that is to save money in the long run on downstream infrastructure, but you’re going to have to spend to save. when do you start to spend to save? are there timing implications? when does it make sense maybe to start looking at some of these things?<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:24)<\/strong><\/p>\nfrom my perspective, it makes sense to look at them if you’re seeing wide swings in your sewer flow. if you’re seeing lots of high peaks during rainfall or during wet seasons, then it makes sense to start looking at something like an i\/i study or evaluation to just see what kind of costs impacts that’s having on your system.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (6:41)<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s no time like the present.<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:44)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, exactly. no time like the present. i think for any community that has old sewers, it’s worth at least a desktop look at what we should expect to see for sewer flow versus what are we seeing and does that point to a potential i\/i problem. and that is pretty easy to do upfront, and more often than not, most places have some level of i\/i issue that’s worth taking a look at or at least evaluating whether it makes sense to, like you said, spend a little money now to save a lot of money down the road.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (7:10)<\/strong><\/p>\nand since you’re talking about money, wes, is there money available to help begin this review?<\/p>\nwes farrand (7:14)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe srf, a state revolving fund program, does consider sewer rehabilitation projects as an eligible cost for their loan program<\/a>. it’s a reduced-rate loan that helps bring costs down quite a bit for a lot of communities. there are probably, i’m not exactly familiar with all the funding options<\/a> out there, but i think a cdbg or committee development block grant program out there that will help some to a certain level.<\/p>\ncommon sewer investigative techniques\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (7:35)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think what i’m hearing is that a lot of communities probably need more education as to why we should be looking at this regularly, so we can identify how much we could be saving in the future or daily. that’s an amazing assessment to make there.<\/p>\ncould you give me some more input on those basic principles and what you are looking for?<\/p>\namanda rodell (07:55)<\/strong><\/p>\nsmoke testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nso other than what i discussed before, looking at the backups and overflows, you can actually test for i\/i. one of those main ways is through smoke testing<\/a>, which involves you setting up a blower within the sewer system that pumps artificial non-toxic smoke through the sanitary sewer lines. the smoke is pressurized and will follow the path of leaks and reveal possible points of entry for i\/i, and the smoke will come out of damaged manholes, sewer pipes, roof drains, et cetera, where those weak points are.<\/p>\ndye testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother method for i\/i is dye testing<\/a>. this is when water is colored with a non-toxic dye, and it’s pumped through the groundwater or stormwater system that is being evaluated. if the dye appears within that sanitary source system. it indicates where the leak occurs, which typically, you can check at each manhole and see where that dye is starting to show up, and you can see where that leak is coming into the system.<\/p>\ncctv inspection<\/strong><\/h3>\nand then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & 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okay, can you tell me how do we know that we have an i\/i problem or how do we define the scope of this?<\/p>\n
amanda rodell (02:10):<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s a couple of different ways to find out if your system is having problems with i\/i. one of those ways is looking at your pump stations and seeing how often they run. are they running continuously or more frequently when storm systems are coming through? another common way that people notice i n i problems are through backups and overflows in the system, which we typically try to avoid, but if those are occurring during storm events, typically, that’s a good note that i\/i is occurring in your system. system. and then one of the more common ways is looking at significant spikes in flows at flow meters or at your water treatment plant or wastewater treatment plant. and the epa even has guidance for municipal systems for what your flow should be per capita per day. and if a community system exceeds these values, that might indicate a problem with i\/i.<\/p>\nwes farrand (3:11)<\/strong><\/p>\ni’d add to that too. sometimes you may have an issue, and the community may not even realize it. it’s just part of how it’s always been operating. when you design, you design for mostly just your sanitary sewer flows but there is a factor in there for some peaking that you’re going to get, no matter how tight you build the sanitary sewer system<\/a>. but there’s excessive peaking that can come, especially with older systems, that is beyond that design level anticipated peak flow. sometimes you might notice it in one of those immediately tangible ways, but other times it might take a study with flow meters or other ways to measure flow during the dry season, base-level flows, and then compare that to what kind of flows happen during wet weather events to see what that peaking factor is. and there are some guidelines on what is a typical peaking factor versus what’s an excessive peaking factor that would indicate unacceptable levels of i\/i.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (3:56)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s a good answer, especially when you think about a lot of the rainfall events we’ve seemed to have over the last decade. i think a lot of system operators and managers can say they can reflect some correlations there. so, that’s really good advice. other than knowing you have a problem, how do you go about identifying where it’s coming from? you might be able to see it overflowing a manhole, but that’s not the exact manhole’s problem, correct?<\/p>\nidentifying\u00a0if your sewer has inflow or infiltration\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\namanda rodell (4:18)<\/strong><\/p>\nyes, if you see a manhole backing up, it could show that you’re having problems downstream and that it’s just backing up, and that was the weak point in the system, and that’s where it’s going to come out and show that you might be having these issues with i\/i.<\/p>\nwes farrand (4:34)<\/strong><\/p>\nit kind of comes down to, as mentioned before, the difference between what is inflow and what is infiltration part of the i\/i. sometimes with flow metering<\/a>,\u00a0 you can divide up a system into different sections and monitor the flow during dry seasons and wet seasons and you can kind of see a correlation between those peak flow times when the flow in the sewer is elevated, whether it comes immediately after a storm event. so, you can overlay those graphs and that information onto a rainfall. and if you see a real significant peak, right after the rainfall or right with the rainfall, then there’s a good chance that that’s an inflow type impact where it’s the floor drains or sump pumps or open manholes. we’ve seen that in the past where there are manholes that run down through a creek drainage way, and there are manhole covers that are off, and the creek just goes right down directly into the sanitary sewer.<\/p>\nthen also, the data can show the opposite or the other side of that, which is the infiltration side, that if that peak is more drawn out, delayed from the rainfall event, it can indicate a lot of times what would be primarily groundwater inflow coming through the cracks in the pipe, or even sometimes through sump pumps as they’re delayed as the groundwater comes up around homes and gets into those footing drain systems.<\/p>\na lot of times, it’s a good idea to do a comprehensive look at your i\/i both to look at, do we have footing drains in a certain neighborhood, is the pipe an old pipe? so, is it going to have a chance of a lot of infiltration coming in the cracks, or is it a new pipe that’s fairly tight? we’ve done studies where it’s just going to look for open manholes, things like that. so, a lot of times, it’s going to take a comprehensive look at all these different ways to pinpoint where the issue really is, and that helps go to the next step, which is how do you fix it.<\/p>\nbudgeting & identifying funding options for sanitary sewer rehabilitation\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (6:06)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think that we addressed early on the making of the dent in this to bring down the i\/i. the purpose of that is to save money in the long run on downstream infrastructure, but you’re going to have to spend to save. when do you start to spend to save? are there timing implications? when does it make sense maybe to start looking at some of these things?<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:24)<\/strong><\/p>\nfrom my perspective, it makes sense to look at them if you’re seeing wide swings in your sewer flow. if you’re seeing lots of high peaks during rainfall or during wet seasons, then it makes sense to start looking at something like an i\/i study or evaluation to just see what kind of costs impacts that’s having on your system.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (6:41)<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s no time like the present.<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:44)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, exactly. no time like the present. i think for any community that has old sewers, it’s worth at least a desktop look at what we should expect to see for sewer flow versus what are we seeing and does that point to a potential i\/i problem. and that is pretty easy to do upfront, and more often than not, most places have some level of i\/i issue that’s worth taking a look at or at least evaluating whether it makes sense to, like you said, spend a little money now to save a lot of money down the road.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (7:10)<\/strong><\/p>\nand since you’re talking about money, wes, is there money available to help begin this review?<\/p>\nwes farrand (7:14)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe srf, a state revolving fund program, does consider sewer rehabilitation projects as an eligible cost for their loan program<\/a>. it’s a reduced-rate loan that helps bring costs down quite a bit for a lot of communities. there are probably, i’m not exactly familiar with all the funding options<\/a> out there, but i think a cdbg or committee development block grant program out there that will help some to a certain level.<\/p>\ncommon sewer investigative techniques\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (7:35)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think what i’m hearing is that a lot of communities probably need more education as to why we should be looking at this regularly, so we can identify how much we could be saving in the future or daily. that’s an amazing assessment to make there.<\/p>\ncould you give me some more input on those basic principles and what you are looking for?<\/p>\namanda rodell (07:55)<\/strong><\/p>\nsmoke testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nso other than what i discussed before, looking at the backups and overflows, you can actually test for i\/i. one of those main ways is through smoke testing<\/a>, which involves you setting up a blower within the sewer system that pumps artificial non-toxic smoke through the sanitary sewer lines. the smoke is pressurized and will follow the path of leaks and reveal possible points of entry for i\/i, and the smoke will come out of damaged manholes, sewer pipes, roof drains, et cetera, where those weak points are.<\/p>\ndye testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother method for i\/i is dye testing<\/a>. this is when water is colored with a non-toxic dye, and it’s pumped through the groundwater or stormwater system that is being evaluated. if the dye appears within that sanitary source system. it indicates where the leak occurs, which typically, you can check at each manhole and see where that dye is starting to show up, and you can see where that leak is coming into the system.<\/p>\ncctv inspection<\/strong><\/h3>\nand then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both 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so there’s a couple of different ways to find out if your system is having problems with i\/i. one of those ways is looking at your pump stations and seeing how often they run. are they running continuously or more frequently when storm systems are coming through? another common way that people notice i n i problems are through backups and overflows in the system, which we typically try to avoid, but if those are occurring during storm events, typically, that’s a good note that i\/i is occurring in your system. system. and then one of the more common ways is looking at significant spikes in flows at flow meters or at your water treatment plant or wastewater treatment plant. and the epa even has guidance for municipal systems for what your flow should be per capita per day. and if a community system exceeds these values, that might indicate a problem with i\/i.<\/p>\n
wes farrand (3:11)<\/strong><\/p>\ni’d add to that too. sometimes you may have an issue, and the community may not even realize it. it’s just part of how it’s always been operating. when you design, you design for mostly just your sanitary sewer flows but there is a factor in there for some peaking that you’re going to get, no matter how tight you build the sanitary sewer system<\/a>. but there’s excessive peaking that can come, especially with older systems, that is beyond that design level anticipated peak flow. sometimes you might notice it in one of those immediately tangible ways, but other times it might take a study with flow meters or other ways to measure flow during the dry season, base-level flows, and then compare that to what kind of flows happen during wet weather events to see what that peaking factor is. and there are some guidelines on what is a typical peaking factor versus what’s an excessive peaking factor that would indicate unacceptable levels of i\/i.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (3:56)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s a good answer, especially when you think about a lot of the rainfall events we’ve seemed to have over the last decade. i think a lot of system operators and managers can say they can reflect some correlations there. so, that’s really good advice. other than knowing you have a problem, how do you go about identifying where it’s coming from? you might be able to see it overflowing a manhole, but that’s not the exact manhole’s problem, correct?<\/p>\nidentifying\u00a0if your sewer has inflow or infiltration\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\namanda rodell (4:18)<\/strong><\/p>\nyes, if you see a manhole backing up, it could show that you’re having problems downstream and that it’s just backing up, and that was the weak point in the system, and that’s where it’s going to come out and show that you might be having these issues with i\/i.<\/p>\nwes farrand (4:34)<\/strong><\/p>\nit kind of comes down to, as mentioned before, the difference between what is inflow and what is infiltration part of the i\/i. sometimes with flow metering<\/a>,\u00a0 you can divide up a system into different sections and monitor the flow during dry seasons and wet seasons and you can kind of see a correlation between those peak flow times when the flow in the sewer is elevated, whether it comes immediately after a storm event. so, you can overlay those graphs and that information onto a rainfall. and if you see a real significant peak, right after the rainfall or right with the rainfall, then there’s a good chance that that’s an inflow type impact where it’s the floor drains or sump pumps or open manholes. we’ve seen that in the past where there are manholes that run down through a creek drainage way, and there are manhole covers that are off, and the creek just goes right down directly into the sanitary sewer.<\/p>\nthen also, the data can show the opposite or the other side of that, which is the infiltration side, that if that peak is more drawn out, delayed from the rainfall event, it can indicate a lot of times what would be primarily groundwater inflow coming through the cracks in the pipe, or even sometimes through sump pumps as they’re delayed as the groundwater comes up around homes and gets into those footing drain systems.<\/p>\na lot of times, it’s a good idea to do a comprehensive look at your i\/i both to look at, do we have footing drains in a certain neighborhood, is the pipe an old pipe? so, is it going to have a chance of a lot of infiltration coming in the cracks, or is it a new pipe that’s fairly tight? we’ve done studies where it’s just going to look for open manholes, things like that. so, a lot of times, it’s going to take a comprehensive look at all these different ways to pinpoint where the issue really is, and that helps go to the next step, which is how do you fix it.<\/p>\nbudgeting & identifying funding options for sanitary sewer rehabilitation\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (6:06)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think that we addressed early on the making of the dent in this to bring down the i\/i. the purpose of that is to save money in the long run on downstream infrastructure, but you’re going to have to spend to save. when do you start to spend to save? are there timing implications? when does it make sense maybe to start looking at some of these things?<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:24)<\/strong><\/p>\nfrom my perspective, it makes sense to look at them if you’re seeing wide swings in your sewer flow. if you’re seeing lots of high peaks during rainfall or during wet seasons, then it makes sense to start looking at something like an i\/i study or evaluation to just see what kind of costs impacts that’s having on your system.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (6:41)<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s no time like the present.<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:44)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, exactly. no time like the present. i think for any community that has old sewers, it’s worth at least a desktop look at what we should expect to see for sewer flow versus what are we seeing and does that point to a potential i\/i problem. and that is pretty easy to do upfront, and more often than not, most places have some level of i\/i issue that’s worth taking a look at or at least evaluating whether it makes sense to, like you said, spend a little money now to save a lot of money down the road.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (7:10)<\/strong><\/p>\nand since you’re talking about money, wes, is there money available to help begin this review?<\/p>\nwes farrand (7:14)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe srf, a state revolving fund program, does consider sewer rehabilitation projects as an eligible cost for their loan program<\/a>. it’s a reduced-rate loan that helps bring costs down quite a bit for a lot of communities. there are probably, i’m not exactly familiar with all the funding options<\/a> out there, but i think a cdbg or committee development block grant program out there that will help some to a certain level.<\/p>\ncommon sewer investigative techniques\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (7:35)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think what i’m hearing is that a lot of communities probably need more education as to why we should be looking at this regularly, so we can identify how much we could be saving in the future or daily. that’s an amazing assessment to make there.<\/p>\ncould you give me some more input on those basic principles and what you are looking for?<\/p>\namanda rodell (07:55)<\/strong><\/p>\nsmoke testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nso other than what i discussed before, looking at the backups and overflows, you can actually test for i\/i. one of those main ways is through smoke testing<\/a>, which involves you setting up a blower within the sewer system that pumps artificial non-toxic smoke through the sanitary sewer lines. the smoke is pressurized and will follow the path of leaks and reveal possible points of entry for i\/i, and the smoke will come out of damaged manholes, sewer pipes, roof drains, et cetera, where those weak points are.<\/p>\ndye testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother method for i\/i is dye testing<\/a>. this is when water is colored with a non-toxic dye, and it’s pumped through the groundwater or stormwater system that is being evaluated. if the dye appears within that sanitary source system. it indicates where the leak occurs, which typically, you can check at each manhole and see where that dye is starting to show up, and you can see where that leak is coming into the system.<\/p>\ncctv inspection<\/strong><\/h3>\nand then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you 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i’d add to that too. sometimes you may have an issue, and the community may not even realize it. it’s just part of how it’s always been operating. when you design, you design for mostly just your sanitary sewer flows but there is a factor in there for some peaking that you’re going to get, no matter how tight you build the sanitary sewer system<\/a>. but there’s excessive peaking that can come, especially with older systems, that is beyond that design level anticipated peak flow. sometimes you might notice it in one of those immediately tangible ways, but other times it might take a study with flow meters or other ways to measure flow during the dry season, base-level flows, and then compare that to what kind of flows happen during wet weather events to see what that peaking factor is. and there are some guidelines on what is a typical peaking factor versus what’s an excessive peaking factor that would indicate unacceptable levels of i\/i.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (3:56)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s a good answer, especially when you think about a lot of the rainfall events we’ve seemed to have over the last decade. i think a lot of system operators and managers can say they can reflect some correlations there. so, that’s really good advice. other than knowing you have a problem, how do you go about identifying where it’s coming from? you might be able to see it overflowing a manhole, but that’s not the exact manhole’s problem, correct?<\/p>\nidentifying\u00a0if your sewer has inflow or infiltration\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\namanda rodell (4:18)<\/strong><\/p>\nyes, if you see a manhole backing up, it could show that you’re having problems downstream and that it’s just backing up, and that was the weak point in the system, and that’s where it’s going to come out and show that you might be having these issues with i\/i.<\/p>\nwes farrand (4:34)<\/strong><\/p>\nit kind of comes down to, as mentioned before, the difference between what is inflow and what is infiltration part of the i\/i. sometimes with flow metering<\/a>,\u00a0 you can divide up a system into different sections and monitor the flow during dry seasons and wet seasons and you can kind of see a correlation between those peak flow times when the flow in the sewer is elevated, whether it comes immediately after a storm event. so, you can overlay those graphs and that information onto a rainfall. and if you see a real significant peak, right after the rainfall or right with the rainfall, then there’s a good chance that that’s an inflow type impact where it’s the floor drains or sump pumps or open manholes. we’ve seen that in the past where there are manholes that run down through a creek drainage way, and there are manhole covers that are off, and the creek just goes right down directly into the sanitary sewer.<\/p>\nthen also, the data can show the opposite or the other side of that, which is the infiltration side, that if that peak is more drawn out, delayed from the rainfall event, it can indicate a lot of times what would be primarily groundwater inflow coming through the cracks in the pipe, or even sometimes through sump pumps as they’re delayed as the groundwater comes up around homes and gets into those footing drain systems.<\/p>\na lot of times, it’s a good idea to do a comprehensive look at your i\/i both to look at, do we have footing drains in a certain neighborhood, is the pipe an old pipe? so, is it going to have a chance of a lot of infiltration coming in the cracks, or is it a new pipe that’s fairly tight? we’ve done studies where it’s just going to look for open manholes, things like that. so, a lot of times, it’s going to take a comprehensive look at all these different ways to pinpoint where the issue really is, and that helps go to the next step, which is how do you fix it.<\/p>\nbudgeting & identifying funding options for sanitary sewer rehabilitation\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (6:06)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think that we addressed early on the making of the dent in this to bring down the i\/i. the purpose of that is to save money in the long run on downstream infrastructure, but you’re going to have to spend to save. when do you start to spend to save? are there timing implications? when does it make sense maybe to start looking at some of these things?<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:24)<\/strong><\/p>\nfrom my perspective, it makes sense to look at them if you’re seeing wide swings in your sewer flow. if you’re seeing lots of high peaks during rainfall or during wet seasons, then it makes sense to start looking at something like an i\/i study or evaluation to just see what kind of costs impacts that’s having on your system.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (6:41)<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s no time like the present.<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:44)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, exactly. no time like the present. i think for any community that has old sewers, it’s worth at least a desktop look at what we should expect to see for sewer flow versus what are we seeing and does that point to a potential i\/i problem. and that is pretty easy to do upfront, and more often than not, most places have some level of i\/i issue that’s worth taking a look at or at least evaluating whether it makes sense to, like you said, spend a little money now to save a lot of money down the road.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (7:10)<\/strong><\/p>\nand since you’re talking about money, wes, is there money available to help begin this review?<\/p>\nwes farrand (7:14)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe srf, a state revolving fund program, does consider sewer rehabilitation projects as an eligible cost for their loan program<\/a>. it’s a reduced-rate loan that helps bring costs down quite a bit for a lot of communities. there are probably, i’m not exactly familiar with all the funding options<\/a> out there, but i think a cdbg or committee development block grant program out there that will help some to a certain level.<\/p>\ncommon sewer investigative techniques\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (7:35)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think what i’m hearing is that a lot of communities probably need more education as to why we should be looking at this regularly, so we can identify how much we could be saving in the future or daily. that’s an amazing assessment to make there.<\/p>\ncould you give me some more input on those basic principles and what you are looking for?<\/p>\namanda rodell (07:55)<\/strong><\/p>\nsmoke testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nso other than what i discussed before, looking at the backups and overflows, you can actually test for i\/i. one of those main ways is through smoke testing<\/a>, which involves you setting up a blower within the sewer system that pumps artificial non-toxic smoke through the sanitary sewer lines. the smoke is pressurized and will follow the path of leaks and reveal possible points of entry for i\/i, and the smoke will come out of damaged manholes, sewer pipes, roof drains, et cetera, where those weak points are.<\/p>\ndye testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother method for i\/i is dye testing<\/a>. this is when water is colored with a non-toxic dye, and it’s pumped through the groundwater or stormwater system that is being evaluated. if the dye appears within that sanitary source system. it indicates where the leak occurs, which typically, you can check at each manhole and see where that dye is starting to show up, and you can see where that leak is coming into the system.<\/p>\ncctv inspection<\/strong><\/h3>\nand then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both 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lindsay beaman (3:56)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s a good answer, especially when you think about a lot of the rainfall events we’ve seemed to have over the last decade. i think a lot of system operators and managers can say they can reflect some correlations there. so, that’s really good advice. other than knowing you have a problem, how do you go about identifying where it’s coming from? you might be able to see it overflowing a manhole, but that’s not the exact manhole’s problem, correct?<\/p>\nidentifying\u00a0if your sewer has inflow or infiltration\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\namanda rodell (4:18)<\/strong><\/p>\nyes, if you see a manhole backing up, it could show that you’re having problems downstream and that it’s just backing up, and that was the weak point in the system, and that’s where it’s going to come out and show that you might be having these issues with i\/i.<\/p>\nwes farrand (4:34)<\/strong><\/p>\nit kind of comes down to, as mentioned before, the difference between what is inflow and what is infiltration part of the i\/i. sometimes with flow metering<\/a>,\u00a0 you can divide up a system into different sections and monitor the flow during dry seasons and wet seasons and you can kind of see a correlation between those peak flow times when the flow in the sewer is elevated, whether it comes immediately after a storm event. so, you can overlay those graphs and that information onto a rainfall. and if you see a real significant peak, right after the rainfall or right with the rainfall, then there’s a good chance that that’s an inflow type impact where it’s the floor drains or sump pumps or open manholes. we’ve seen that in the past where there are manholes that run down through a creek drainage way, and there are manhole covers that are off, and the creek just goes right down directly into the sanitary sewer.<\/p>\nthen also, the data can show the opposite or the other side of that, which is the infiltration side, that if that peak is more drawn out, delayed from the rainfall event, it can indicate a lot of times what would be primarily groundwater inflow coming through the cracks in the pipe, or even sometimes through sump pumps as they’re delayed as the groundwater comes up around homes and gets into those footing drain systems.<\/p>\na lot of times, it’s a good idea to do a comprehensive look at your i\/i both to look at, do we have footing drains in a certain neighborhood, is the pipe an old pipe? so, is it going to have a chance of a lot of infiltration coming in the cracks, or is it a new pipe that’s fairly tight? we’ve done studies where it’s just going to look for open manholes, things like that. so, a lot of times, it’s going to take a comprehensive look at all these different ways to pinpoint where the issue really is, and that helps go to the next step, which is how do you fix it.<\/p>\nbudgeting & identifying funding options for sanitary sewer rehabilitation\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (6:06)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think that we addressed early on the making of the dent in this to bring down the i\/i. the purpose of that is to save money in the long run on downstream infrastructure, but you’re going to have to spend to save. when do you start to spend to save? are there timing implications? when does it make sense maybe to start looking at some of these things?<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:24)<\/strong><\/p>\nfrom my perspective, it makes sense to look at them if you’re seeing wide swings in your sewer flow. if you’re seeing lots of high peaks during rainfall or during wet seasons, then it makes sense to start looking at something like an i\/i study or evaluation to just see what kind of costs impacts that’s having on your system.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (6:41)<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s no time like the present.<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:44)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, exactly. no time like the present. i think for any community that has old sewers, it’s worth at least a desktop look at what we should expect to see for sewer flow versus what are we seeing and does that point to a potential i\/i problem. and that is pretty easy to do upfront, and more often than not, most places have some level of i\/i issue that’s worth taking a look at or at least evaluating whether it makes sense to, like you said, spend a little money now to save a lot of money down the road.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (7:10)<\/strong><\/p>\nand since you’re talking about money, wes, is there money available to help begin this review?<\/p>\nwes farrand (7:14)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe srf, a state revolving fund program, does consider sewer rehabilitation projects as an eligible cost for their loan program<\/a>. it’s a reduced-rate loan that helps bring costs down quite a bit for a lot of communities. there are probably, i’m not exactly familiar with all the funding options<\/a> out there, but i think a cdbg or committee development block grant program out there that will help some to a certain level.<\/p>\ncommon sewer investigative techniques\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (7:35)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think what i’m hearing is that a lot of communities probably need more education as to why we should be looking at this regularly, so we can identify how much we could be saving in the future or daily. that’s an amazing assessment to make there.<\/p>\ncould you give me some more input on those basic principles and what you are looking for?<\/p>\namanda rodell (07:55)<\/strong><\/p>\nsmoke testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nso other than what i discussed before, looking at the backups and overflows, you can actually test for i\/i. one of those main ways is through smoke testing<\/a>, which involves you setting up a blower within the sewer system that pumps artificial non-toxic smoke through the sanitary sewer lines. the smoke is pressurized and will follow the path of leaks and reveal possible points of entry for i\/i, and the smoke will come out of damaged manholes, sewer pipes, roof drains, et cetera, where those weak points are.<\/p>\ndye testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother method for i\/i is dye testing<\/a>. this is when water is colored with a non-toxic dye, and it’s pumped through the groundwater or stormwater system that is being evaluated. if the dye appears within that sanitary source system. it indicates where the leak occurs, which typically, you can check at each manhole and see where that dye is starting to show up, and you can see where that leak is coming into the system.<\/p>\ncctv inspection<\/strong><\/h3>\nand then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both 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that’s a good answer, especially when you think about a lot of the rainfall events we’ve seemed to have over the last decade. i think a lot of system operators and managers can say they can reflect some correlations there. so, that’s really good advice. other than knowing you have a problem, how do you go about identifying where it’s coming from? you might be able to see it overflowing a manhole, but that’s not the exact manhole’s problem, correct?<\/p>\n
amanda rodell (4:18)<\/strong><\/p>\nyes, if you see a manhole backing up, it could show that you’re having problems downstream and that it’s just backing up, and that was the weak point in the system, and that’s where it’s going to come out and show that you might be having these issues with i\/i.<\/p>\nwes farrand (4:34)<\/strong><\/p>\nit kind of comes down to, as mentioned before, the difference between what is inflow and what is infiltration part of the i\/i. sometimes with flow metering<\/a>,\u00a0 you can divide up a system into different sections and monitor the flow during dry seasons and wet seasons and you can kind of see a correlation between those peak flow times when the flow in the sewer is elevated, whether it comes immediately after a storm event. so, you can overlay those graphs and that information onto a rainfall. and if you see a real significant peak, right after the rainfall or right with the rainfall, then there’s a good chance that that’s an inflow type impact where it’s the floor drains or sump pumps or open manholes. we’ve seen that in the past where there are manholes that run down through a creek drainage way, and there are manhole covers that are off, and the creek just goes right down directly into the sanitary sewer.<\/p>\nthen also, the data can show the opposite or the other side of that, which is the infiltration side, that if that peak is more drawn out, delayed from the rainfall event, it can indicate a lot of times what would be primarily groundwater inflow coming through the cracks in the pipe, or even sometimes through sump pumps as they’re delayed as the groundwater comes up around homes and gets into those footing drain systems.<\/p>\na lot of times, it’s a good idea to do a comprehensive look at your i\/i both to look at, do we have footing drains in a certain neighborhood, is the pipe an old pipe? so, is it going to have a chance of a lot of infiltration coming in the cracks, or is it a new pipe that’s fairly tight? we’ve done studies where it’s just going to look for open manholes, things like that. so, a lot of times, it’s going to take a comprehensive look at all these different ways to pinpoint where the issue really is, and that helps go to the next step, which is how do you fix it.<\/p>\nbudgeting & identifying funding options for sanitary sewer rehabilitation\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (6:06)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think that we addressed early on the making of the dent in this to bring down the i\/i. the purpose of that is to save money in the long run on downstream infrastructure, but you’re going to have to spend to save. when do you start to spend to save? are there timing implications? when does it make sense maybe to start looking at some of these things?<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:24)<\/strong><\/p>\nfrom my perspective, it makes sense to look at them if you’re seeing wide swings in your sewer flow. if you’re seeing lots of high peaks during rainfall or during wet seasons, then it makes sense to start looking at something like an i\/i study or evaluation to just see what kind of costs impacts that’s having on your system.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (6:41)<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s no time like the present.<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:44)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, exactly. no time like the present. i think for any community that has old sewers, it’s worth at least a desktop look at what we should expect to see for sewer flow versus what are we seeing and does that point to a potential i\/i problem. and that is pretty easy to do upfront, and more often than not, most places have some level of i\/i issue that’s worth taking a look at or at least evaluating whether it makes sense to, like you said, spend a little money now to save a lot of money down the road.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (7:10)<\/strong><\/p>\nand since you’re talking about money, wes, is there money available to help begin this review?<\/p>\nwes farrand (7:14)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe srf, a state revolving fund program, does consider sewer rehabilitation projects as an eligible cost for their loan program<\/a>. it’s a reduced-rate loan that helps bring costs down quite a bit for a lot of communities. there are probably, i’m not exactly familiar with all the funding options<\/a> out there, but i think a cdbg or committee development block grant program out there that will help some to a certain level.<\/p>\ncommon sewer investigative techniques\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (7:35)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think what i’m hearing is that a lot of communities probably need more education as to why we should be looking at this regularly, so we can identify how much we could be saving in the future or daily. that’s an amazing assessment to make there.<\/p>\ncould you give me some more input on those basic principles and what you are looking for?<\/p>\namanda rodell (07:55)<\/strong><\/p>\nsmoke testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nso other than what i discussed before, looking at the backups and overflows, you can actually test for i\/i. one of those main ways is through smoke testing<\/a>, which involves you setting up a blower within the sewer system that pumps artificial non-toxic smoke through the sanitary sewer lines. the smoke is pressurized and will follow the path of leaks and reveal possible points of entry for i\/i, and the smoke will come out of damaged manholes, sewer pipes, roof drains, et cetera, where those weak points are.<\/p>\ndye testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother method for i\/i is dye testing<\/a>. this is when water is colored with a non-toxic dye, and it’s pumped through the groundwater or stormwater system that is being evaluated. if the dye appears within that sanitary source system. it indicates where the leak occurs, which typically, you can check at each manhole and see where that dye is starting to show up, and you can see where that leak is coming into the system.<\/p>\ncctv inspection<\/strong><\/h3>\nand then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
yes, if you see a manhole backing up, it could show that you’re having problems downstream and that it’s just backing up, and that was the weak point in the system, and that’s where it’s going to come out and show that you might be having these issues with i\/i.<\/p>\n
wes farrand (4:34)<\/strong><\/p>\nit kind of comes down to, as mentioned before, the difference between what is inflow and what is infiltration part of the i\/i. sometimes with flow metering<\/a>,\u00a0 you can divide up a system into different sections and monitor the flow during dry seasons and wet seasons and you can kind of see a correlation between those peak flow times when the flow in the sewer is elevated, whether it comes immediately after a storm event. so, you can overlay those graphs and that information onto a rainfall. and if you see a real significant peak, right after the rainfall or right with the rainfall, then there’s a good chance that that’s an inflow type impact where it’s the floor drains or sump pumps or open manholes. we’ve seen that in the past where there are manholes that run down through a creek drainage way, and there are manhole covers that are off, and the creek just goes right down directly into the sanitary sewer.<\/p>\nthen also, the data can show the opposite or the other side of that, which is the infiltration side, that if that peak is more drawn out, delayed from the rainfall event, it can indicate a lot of times what would be primarily groundwater inflow coming through the cracks in the pipe, or even sometimes through sump pumps as they’re delayed as the groundwater comes up around homes and gets into those footing drain systems.<\/p>\na lot of times, it’s a good idea to do a comprehensive look at your i\/i both to look at, do we have footing drains in a certain neighborhood, is the pipe an old pipe? so, is it going to have a chance of a lot of infiltration coming in the cracks, or is it a new pipe that’s fairly tight? we’ve done studies where it’s just going to look for open manholes, things like that. so, a lot of times, it’s going to take a comprehensive look at all these different ways to pinpoint where the issue really is, and that helps go to the next step, which is how do you fix it.<\/p>\nbudgeting & identifying funding options for sanitary sewer rehabilitation\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (6:06)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think that we addressed early on the making of the dent in this to bring down the i\/i. the purpose of that is to save money in the long run on downstream infrastructure, but you’re going to have to spend to save. when do you start to spend to save? are there timing implications? when does it make sense maybe to start looking at some of these things?<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:24)<\/strong><\/p>\nfrom my perspective, it makes sense to look at them if you’re seeing wide swings in your sewer flow. if you’re seeing lots of high peaks during rainfall or during wet seasons, then it makes sense to start looking at something like an i\/i study or evaluation to just see what kind of costs impacts that’s having on your system.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (6:41)<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s no time like the present.<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:44)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, exactly. no time like the present. i think for any community that has old sewers, it’s worth at least a desktop look at what we should expect to see for sewer flow versus what are we seeing and does that point to a potential i\/i problem. and that is pretty easy to do upfront, and more often than not, most places have some level of i\/i issue that’s worth taking a look at or at least evaluating whether it makes sense to, like you said, spend a little money now to save a lot of money down the road.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (7:10)<\/strong><\/p>\nand since you’re talking about money, wes, is there money available to help begin this review?<\/p>\nwes farrand (7:14)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe srf, a state revolving fund program, does consider sewer rehabilitation projects as an eligible cost for their loan program<\/a>. it’s a reduced-rate loan that helps bring costs down quite a bit for a lot of communities. there are probably, i’m not exactly familiar with all the funding options<\/a> out there, but i think a cdbg or committee development block grant program out there that will help some to a certain level.<\/p>\ncommon sewer investigative techniques\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (7:35)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think what i’m hearing is that a lot of communities probably need more education as to why we should be looking at this regularly, so we can identify how much we could be saving in the future or daily. that’s an amazing assessment to make there.<\/p>\ncould you give me some more input on those basic principles and what you are looking for?<\/p>\namanda rodell (07:55)<\/strong><\/p>\nsmoke testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nso other than what i discussed before, looking at the backups and overflows, you can actually test for i\/i. one of those main ways is through smoke testing<\/a>, which involves you setting up a blower within the sewer system that pumps artificial non-toxic smoke through the sanitary sewer lines. the smoke is pressurized and will follow the path of leaks and reveal possible points of entry for i\/i, and the smoke will come out of damaged manholes, sewer pipes, roof drains, et cetera, where those weak points are.<\/p>\ndye testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother method for i\/i is dye testing<\/a>. this is when water is colored with a non-toxic dye, and it’s pumped through the groundwater or stormwater system that is being evaluated. if the dye appears within that sanitary source system. it indicates where the leak occurs, which typically, you can check at each manhole and see where that dye is starting to show up, and you can see where that leak is coming into the system.<\/p>\ncctv inspection<\/strong><\/h3>\nand then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 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it kind of comes down to, as mentioned before, the difference between what is inflow and what is infiltration part of the i\/i. sometimes with flow metering<\/a>,\u00a0 you can divide up a system into different sections and monitor the flow during dry seasons and wet seasons and you can kind of see a correlation between those peak flow times when the flow in the sewer is elevated, whether it comes immediately after a storm event. so, you can overlay those graphs and that information onto a rainfall. and if you see a real significant peak, right after the rainfall or right with the rainfall, then there’s a good chance that that’s an inflow type impact where it’s the floor drains or sump pumps or open manholes. we’ve seen that in the past where there are manholes that run down through a creek drainage way, and there are manhole covers that are off, and the creek just goes right down directly into the sanitary sewer.<\/p>\nthen also, the data can show the opposite or the other side of that, which is the infiltration side, that if that peak is more drawn out, delayed from the rainfall event, it can indicate a lot of times what would be primarily groundwater inflow coming through the cracks in the pipe, or even sometimes through sump pumps as they’re delayed as the groundwater comes up around homes and gets into those footing drain systems.<\/p>\na lot of times, it’s a good idea to do a comprehensive look at your i\/i both to look at, do we have footing drains in a certain neighborhood, is the pipe an old pipe? so, is it going to have a chance of a lot of infiltration coming in the cracks, or is it a new pipe that’s fairly tight? we’ve done studies where it’s just going to look for open manholes, things like that. so, a lot of times, it’s going to take a comprehensive look at all these different ways to pinpoint where the issue really is, and that helps go to the next step, which is how do you fix it.<\/p>\nbudgeting & identifying funding options for sanitary sewer rehabilitation\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (6:06)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think that we addressed early on the making of the dent in this to bring down the i\/i. the purpose of that is to save money in the long run on downstream infrastructure, but you’re going to have to spend to save. when do you start to spend to save? are there timing implications? when does it make sense maybe to start looking at some of these things?<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:24)<\/strong><\/p>\nfrom my perspective, it makes sense to look at them if you’re seeing wide swings in your sewer flow. if you’re seeing lots of high peaks during rainfall or during wet seasons, then it makes sense to start looking at something like an i\/i study or evaluation to just see what kind of costs impacts that’s having on your system.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (6:41)<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s no time like the present.<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:44)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, exactly. no time like the present. i think for any community that has old sewers, it’s worth at least a desktop look at what we should expect to see for sewer flow versus what are we seeing and does that point to a potential i\/i problem. and that is pretty easy to do upfront, and more often than not, most places have some level of i\/i issue that’s worth taking a look at or at least evaluating whether it makes sense to, like you said, spend a little money now to save a lot of money down the road.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (7:10)<\/strong><\/p>\nand since you’re talking about money, wes, is there money available to help begin this review?<\/p>\nwes farrand (7:14)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe srf, a state revolving fund program, does consider sewer rehabilitation projects as an eligible cost for their loan program<\/a>. it’s a reduced-rate loan that helps bring costs down quite a bit for a lot of communities. there are probably, i’m not exactly familiar with all the funding options<\/a> out there, but i think a cdbg or committee development block grant program out there that will help some to a certain level.<\/p>\ncommon sewer investigative techniques\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (7:35)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think what i’m hearing is that a lot of communities probably need more education as to why we should be looking at this regularly, so we can identify how much we could be saving in the future or daily. that’s an amazing assessment to make there.<\/p>\ncould you give me some more input on those basic principles and what you are looking for?<\/p>\namanda rodell (07:55)<\/strong><\/p>\nsmoke testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nso other than what i discussed before, looking at the backups and overflows, you can actually test for i\/i. one of those main ways is through smoke testing<\/a>, which involves you setting up a blower within the sewer system that pumps artificial non-toxic smoke through the sanitary sewer lines. the smoke is pressurized and will follow the path of leaks and reveal possible points of entry for i\/i, and the smoke will come out of damaged manholes, sewer pipes, roof drains, et cetera, where those weak points are.<\/p>\ndye testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother method for i\/i is dye testing<\/a>. this is when water is colored with a non-toxic dye, and it’s pumped through the groundwater or stormwater system that is being evaluated. if the dye appears within that sanitary source system. it indicates where the leak occurs, which typically, you can check at each manhole and see where that dye is starting to show up, and you can see where that leak is coming into the system.<\/p>\ncctv inspection<\/strong><\/h3>\nand then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
then also, the data can show the opposite or the other side of that, which is the infiltration side, that if that peak is more drawn out, delayed from the rainfall event, it can indicate a lot of times what would be primarily groundwater inflow coming through the cracks in the pipe, or even sometimes through sump pumps as they’re delayed as the groundwater comes up around homes and gets into those footing drain systems.<\/p>\n
a lot of times, it’s a good idea to do a comprehensive look at your i\/i both to look at, do we have footing drains in a certain neighborhood, is the pipe an old pipe? so, is it going to have a chance of a lot of infiltration coming in the cracks, or is it a new pipe that’s fairly tight? we’ve done studies where it’s just going to look for open manholes, things like that. so, a lot of times, it’s going to take a comprehensive look at all these different ways to pinpoint where the issue really is, and that helps go to the next step, which is how do you fix it.<\/p>\n
lindsay beaman (6:06)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think that we addressed early on the making of the dent in this to bring down the i\/i. the purpose of that is to save money in the long run on downstream infrastructure, but you’re going to have to spend to save. when do you start to spend to save? are there timing implications? when does it make sense maybe to start looking at some of these things?<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:24)<\/strong><\/p>\nfrom my perspective, it makes sense to look at them if you’re seeing wide swings in your sewer flow. if you’re seeing lots of high peaks during rainfall or during wet seasons, then it makes sense to start looking at something like an i\/i study or evaluation to just see what kind of costs impacts that’s having on your system.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (6:41)<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s no time like the present.<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:44)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, exactly. no time like the present. i think for any community that has old sewers, it’s worth at least a desktop look at what we should expect to see for sewer flow versus what are we seeing and does that point to a potential i\/i problem. and that is pretty easy to do upfront, and more often than not, most places have some level of i\/i issue that’s worth taking a look at or at least evaluating whether it makes sense to, like you said, spend a little money now to save a lot of money down the road.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (7:10)<\/strong><\/p>\nand since you’re talking about money, wes, is there money available to help begin this review?<\/p>\nwes farrand (7:14)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe srf, a state revolving fund program, does consider sewer rehabilitation projects as an eligible cost for their loan program<\/a>. it’s a reduced-rate loan that helps bring costs down quite a bit for a lot of communities. there are probably, i’m not exactly familiar with all the funding options<\/a> out there, but i think a cdbg or committee development block grant program out there that will help some to a certain level.<\/p>\ncommon sewer investigative techniques\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (7:35)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think what i’m hearing is that a lot of communities probably need more education as to why we should be looking at this regularly, so we can identify how much we could be saving in the future or daily. that’s an amazing assessment to make there.<\/p>\ncould you give me some more input on those basic principles and what you are looking for?<\/p>\namanda rodell (07:55)<\/strong><\/p>\nsmoke testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nso other than what i discussed before, looking at the backups and overflows, you can actually test for i\/i. one of those main ways is through smoke testing<\/a>, which involves you setting up a blower within the sewer system that pumps artificial non-toxic smoke through the sanitary sewer lines. the smoke is pressurized and will follow the path of leaks and reveal possible points of entry for i\/i, and the smoke will come out of damaged manholes, sewer pipes, roof drains, et cetera, where those weak points are.<\/p>\ndye testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother method for i\/i is dye testing<\/a>. this is when water is colored with a non-toxic dye, and it’s pumped through the groundwater or stormwater system that is being evaluated. if the dye appears within that sanitary source system. it indicates where the leak occurs, which typically, you can check at each manhole and see where that dye is starting to show up, and you can see where that leak is coming into the system.<\/p>\ncctv inspection<\/strong><\/h3>\nand then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
i think that we addressed early on the making of the dent in this to bring down the i\/i. the purpose of that is to save money in the long run on downstream infrastructure, but you’re going to have to spend to save. when do you start to spend to save? are there timing implications? when does it make sense maybe to start looking at some of these things?<\/p>\n
wes farrand (6:24)<\/strong><\/p>\nfrom my perspective, it makes sense to look at them if you’re seeing wide swings in your sewer flow. if you’re seeing lots of high peaks during rainfall or during wet seasons, then it makes sense to start looking at something like an i\/i study or evaluation to just see what kind of costs impacts that’s having on your system.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (6:41)<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s no time like the present.<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:44)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, exactly. no time like the present. i think for any community that has old sewers, it’s worth at least a desktop look at what we should expect to see for sewer flow versus what are we seeing and does that point to a potential i\/i problem. and that is pretty easy to do upfront, and more often than not, most places have some level of i\/i issue that’s worth taking a look at or at least evaluating whether it makes sense to, like you said, spend a little money now to save a lot of money down the road.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (7:10)<\/strong><\/p>\nand since you’re talking about money, wes, is there money available to help begin this review?<\/p>\nwes farrand (7:14)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe srf, a state revolving fund program, does consider sewer rehabilitation projects as an eligible cost for their loan program<\/a>. it’s a reduced-rate loan that helps bring costs down quite a bit for a lot of communities. there are probably, i’m not exactly familiar with all the funding options<\/a> out there, but i think a cdbg or committee development block grant program out there that will help some to a certain level.<\/p>\ncommon sewer investigative techniques\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (7:35)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think what i’m hearing is that a lot of communities probably need more education as to why we should be looking at this regularly, so we can identify how much we could be saving in the future or daily. that’s an amazing assessment to make there.<\/p>\ncould you give me some more input on those basic principles and what you are looking for?<\/p>\namanda rodell (07:55)<\/strong><\/p>\nsmoke testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nso other than what i discussed before, looking at the backups and overflows, you can actually test for i\/i. one of those main ways is through smoke testing<\/a>, which involves you setting up a blower within the sewer system that pumps artificial non-toxic smoke through the sanitary sewer lines. the smoke is pressurized and will follow the path of leaks and reveal possible points of entry for i\/i, and the smoke will come out of damaged manholes, sewer pipes, roof drains, et cetera, where those weak points are.<\/p>\ndye testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother method for i\/i is dye testing<\/a>. this is when water is colored with a non-toxic dye, and it’s pumped through the groundwater or stormwater system that is being evaluated. if the dye appears within that sanitary source system. it indicates where the leak occurs, which typically, you can check at each manhole and see where that dye is starting to show up, and you can see where that leak is coming into the system.<\/p>\ncctv inspection<\/strong><\/h3>\nand then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding 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from my perspective, it makes sense to look at them if you’re seeing wide swings in your sewer flow. if you’re seeing lots of high peaks during rainfall or during wet seasons, then it makes sense to start looking at something like an i\/i study or evaluation to just see what kind of costs impacts that’s having on your system.<\/p>\n
lindsay beaman (6:41)<\/strong><\/p>\nso there’s no time like the present.<\/p>\nwes farrand (6:44)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, exactly. no time like the present. i think for any community that has old sewers, it’s worth at least a desktop look at what we should expect to see for sewer flow versus what are we seeing and does that point to a potential i\/i problem. and that is pretty easy to do upfront, and more often than not, most places have some level of i\/i issue that’s worth taking a look at or at least evaluating whether it makes sense to, like you said, spend a little money now to save a lot of money down the road.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (7:10)<\/strong><\/p>\nand since you’re talking about money, wes, is there money available to help begin this review?<\/p>\nwes farrand (7:14)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe srf, a state revolving fund program, does consider sewer rehabilitation projects as an eligible cost for their loan program<\/a>. it’s a reduced-rate loan that helps bring costs down quite a bit for a lot of communities. there are probably, i’m not exactly familiar with all the funding options<\/a> out there, but i think a cdbg or committee development block grant program out there that will help some to a certain level.<\/p>\ncommon sewer investigative techniques\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (7:35)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think what i’m hearing is that a lot of communities probably need more education as to why we should be looking at this regularly, so we can identify how much we could be saving in the future or daily. that’s an amazing assessment to make there.<\/p>\ncould you give me some more input on those basic principles and what you are looking for?<\/p>\namanda rodell (07:55)<\/strong><\/p>\nsmoke testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nso other than what i discussed before, looking at the backups and overflows, you can actually test for i\/i. one of those main ways is through smoke testing<\/a>, which involves you setting up a blower within the sewer system that pumps artificial non-toxic smoke through the sanitary sewer lines. the smoke is pressurized and will follow the path of leaks and reveal possible points of entry for i\/i, and the smoke will come out of damaged manholes, sewer pipes, roof drains, et cetera, where those weak points are.<\/p>\ndye testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother method for i\/i is dye testing<\/a>. this is when water is colored with a non-toxic dye, and it’s pumped through the groundwater or stormwater system that is being evaluated. if the dye appears within that sanitary source system. it indicates where the leak occurs, which typically, you can check at each manhole and see where that dye is starting to show up, and you can see where that leak is coming into the system.<\/p>\ncctv inspection<\/strong><\/h3>\nand then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
so there’s no time like the present.<\/p>\n
wes farrand (6:44)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, exactly. no time like the present. i think for any community that has old sewers, it’s worth at least a desktop look at what we should expect to see for sewer flow versus what are we seeing and does that point to a potential i\/i problem. and that is pretty easy to do upfront, and more often than not, most places have some level of i\/i issue that’s worth taking a look at or at least evaluating whether it makes sense to, like you said, spend a little money now to save a lot of money down the road.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (7:10)<\/strong><\/p>\nand since you’re talking about money, wes, is there money available to help begin this review?<\/p>\nwes farrand (7:14)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe srf, a state revolving fund program, does consider sewer rehabilitation projects as an eligible cost for their loan program<\/a>. it’s a reduced-rate loan that helps bring costs down quite a bit for a lot of communities. there are probably, i’m not exactly familiar with all the funding options<\/a> out there, but i think a cdbg or committee development block grant program out there that will help some to a certain level.<\/p>\ncommon sewer investigative techniques\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (7:35)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think what i’m hearing is that a lot of communities probably need more education as to why we should be looking at this regularly, so we can identify how much we could be saving in the future or daily. that’s an amazing assessment to make there.<\/p>\ncould you give me some more input on those basic principles and what you are looking for?<\/p>\namanda rodell (07:55)<\/strong><\/p>\nsmoke testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nso other than what i discussed before, looking at the backups and overflows, you can actually test for i\/i. one of those main ways is through smoke testing<\/a>, which involves you setting up a blower within the sewer system that pumps artificial non-toxic smoke through the sanitary sewer lines. the smoke is pressurized and will follow the path of leaks and reveal possible points of entry for i\/i, and the smoke will come out of damaged manholes, sewer pipes, roof drains, et cetera, where those weak points are.<\/p>\ndye testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother method for i\/i is dye testing<\/a>. this is when water is colored with a non-toxic dye, and it’s pumped through the groundwater or stormwater system that is being evaluated. if the dye appears within that sanitary source system. it indicates where the leak occurs, which typically, you can check at each manhole and see where that dye is starting to show up, and you can see where that leak is coming into the system.<\/p>\ncctv inspection<\/strong><\/h3>\nand then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
yeah, exactly. no time like the present. i think for any community that has old sewers, it’s worth at least a desktop look at what we should expect to see for sewer flow versus what are we seeing and does that point to a potential i\/i problem. and that is pretty easy to do upfront, and more often than not, most places have some level of i\/i issue that’s worth taking a look at or at least evaluating whether it makes sense to, like you said, spend a little money now to save a lot of money down the road.<\/p>\n
lindsay beaman (7:10)<\/strong><\/p>\nand since you’re talking about money, wes, is there money available to help begin this review?<\/p>\nwes farrand (7:14)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe srf, a state revolving fund program, does consider sewer rehabilitation projects as an eligible cost for their loan program<\/a>. it’s a reduced-rate loan that helps bring costs down quite a bit for a lot of communities. there are probably, i’m not exactly familiar with all the funding options<\/a> out there, but i think a cdbg or committee development block grant program out there that will help some to a certain level.<\/p>\ncommon sewer investigative techniques\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (7:35)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think what i’m hearing is that a lot of communities probably need more education as to why we should be looking at this regularly, so we can identify how much we could be saving in the future or daily. that’s an amazing assessment to make there.<\/p>\ncould you give me some more input on those basic principles and what you are looking for?<\/p>\namanda rodell (07:55)<\/strong><\/p>\nsmoke testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nso other than what i discussed before, looking at the backups and overflows, you can actually test for i\/i. one of those main ways is through smoke testing<\/a>, which involves you setting up a blower within the sewer system that pumps artificial non-toxic smoke through the sanitary sewer lines. the smoke is pressurized and will follow the path of leaks and reveal possible points of entry for i\/i, and the smoke will come out of damaged manholes, sewer pipes, roof drains, et cetera, where those weak points are.<\/p>\ndye testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother method for i\/i is dye testing<\/a>. this is when water is colored with a non-toxic dye, and it’s pumped through the groundwater or stormwater system that is being evaluated. if the dye appears within that sanitary source system. it indicates where the leak occurs, which typically, you can check at each manhole and see where that dye is starting to show up, and you can see where that leak is coming into the system.<\/p>\ncctv inspection<\/strong><\/h3>\nand then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding 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and since you’re talking about money, wes, is there money available to help begin this review?<\/p>\n
wes farrand (7:14)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe srf, a state revolving fund program, does consider sewer rehabilitation projects as an eligible cost for their loan program<\/a>. it’s a reduced-rate loan that helps bring costs down quite a bit for a lot of communities. there are probably, i’m not exactly familiar with all the funding options<\/a> out there, but i think a cdbg or committee development block grant program out there that will help some to a certain level.<\/p>\ncommon sewer investigative techniques\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (7:35)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think what i’m hearing is that a lot of communities probably need more education as to why we should be looking at this regularly, so we can identify how much we could be saving in the future or daily. that’s an amazing assessment to make there.<\/p>\ncould you give me some more input on those basic principles and what you are looking for?<\/p>\namanda rodell (07:55)<\/strong><\/p>\nsmoke testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nso other than what i discussed before, looking at the backups and overflows, you can actually test for i\/i. one of those main ways is through smoke testing<\/a>, which involves you setting up a blower within the sewer system that pumps artificial non-toxic smoke through the sanitary sewer lines. the smoke is pressurized and will follow the path of leaks and reveal possible points of entry for i\/i, and the smoke will come out of damaged manholes, sewer pipes, roof drains, et cetera, where those weak points are.<\/p>\ndye testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother method for i\/i is dye testing<\/a>. this is when water is colored with a non-toxic dye, and it’s pumped through the groundwater or stormwater system that is being evaluated. if the dye appears within that sanitary source system. it indicates where the leak occurs, which typically, you can check at each manhole and see where that dye is starting to show up, and you can see where that leak is coming into the system.<\/p>\ncctv inspection<\/strong><\/h3>\nand then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding 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the srf, a state revolving fund program, does consider sewer rehabilitation projects as an eligible cost for their loan program<\/a>. it’s a reduced-rate loan that helps bring costs down quite a bit for a lot of communities. there are probably, i’m not exactly familiar with all the funding options<\/a> out there, but i think a cdbg or committee development block grant program out there that will help some to a certain level.<\/p>\ncommon sewer investigative techniques\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (7:35)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think what i’m hearing is that a lot of communities probably need more education as to why we should be looking at this regularly, so we can identify how much we could be saving in the future or daily. that’s an amazing assessment to make there.<\/p>\ncould you give me some more input on those basic principles and what you are looking for?<\/p>\namanda rodell (07:55)<\/strong><\/p>\nsmoke testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nso other than what i discussed before, looking at the backups and overflows, you can actually test for i\/i. one of those main ways is through smoke testing<\/a>, which involves you setting up a blower within the sewer system that pumps artificial non-toxic smoke through the sanitary sewer lines. the smoke is pressurized and will follow the path of leaks and reveal possible points of entry for i\/i, and the smoke will come out of damaged manholes, sewer pipes, roof drains, et cetera, where those weak points are.<\/p>\ndye testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother method for i\/i is dye testing<\/a>. this is when water is colored with a non-toxic dye, and it’s pumped through the groundwater or stormwater system that is being evaluated. if the dye appears within that sanitary source system. it indicates where the leak occurs, which typically, you can check at each manhole and see where that dye is starting to show up, and you can see where that leak is coming into the system.<\/p>\ncctv inspection<\/strong><\/h3>\nand then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding 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lindsay beaman (7:35)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think what i’m hearing is that a lot of communities probably need more education as to why we should be looking at this regularly, so we can identify how much we could be saving in the future or daily. that’s an amazing assessment to make there.<\/p>\ncould you give me some more input on those basic principles and what you are looking for?<\/p>\namanda rodell (07:55)<\/strong><\/p>\nsmoke testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nso other than what i discussed before, looking at the backups and overflows, you can actually test for i\/i. one of those main ways is through smoke testing<\/a>, which involves you setting up a blower within the sewer system that pumps artificial non-toxic smoke through the sanitary sewer lines. the smoke is pressurized and will follow the path of leaks and reveal possible points of entry for i\/i, and the smoke will come out of damaged manholes, sewer pipes, roof drains, et cetera, where those weak points are.<\/p>\ndye testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother method for i\/i is dye testing<\/a>. this is when water is colored with a non-toxic dye, and it’s pumped through the groundwater or stormwater system that is being evaluated. if the dye appears within that sanitary source system. it indicates where the leak occurs, which typically, you can check at each manhole and see where that dye is starting to show up, and you can see where that leak is coming into the system.<\/p>\ncctv inspection<\/strong><\/h3>\nand then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
i think what i’m hearing is that a lot of communities probably need more education as to why we should be looking at this regularly, so we can identify how much we could be saving in the future or daily. that’s an amazing assessment to make there.<\/p>\n
could you give me some more input on those basic principles and what you are looking for?<\/p>\n
amanda rodell (07:55)<\/strong><\/p>\nsmoke testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nso other than what i discussed before, looking at the backups and overflows, you can actually test for i\/i. one of those main ways is through smoke testing<\/a>, which involves you setting up a blower within the sewer system that pumps artificial non-toxic smoke through the sanitary sewer lines. the smoke is pressurized and will follow the path of leaks and reveal possible points of entry for i\/i, and the smoke will come out of damaged manholes, sewer pipes, roof drains, et cetera, where those weak points are.<\/p>\ndye testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother method for i\/i is dye testing<\/a>. this is when water is colored with a non-toxic dye, and it’s pumped through the groundwater or stormwater system that is being evaluated. if the dye appears within that sanitary source system. it indicates where the leak occurs, which typically, you can check at each manhole and see where that dye is starting to show up, and you can see where that leak is coming into the system.<\/p>\ncctv inspection<\/strong><\/h3>\nand then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding 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so other than what i discussed before, looking at the backups and overflows, you can actually test for i\/i. one of those main ways is through smoke testing<\/a>, which involves you setting up a blower within the sewer system that pumps artificial non-toxic smoke through the sanitary sewer lines. the smoke is pressurized and will follow the path of leaks and reveal possible points of entry for i\/i, and the smoke will come out of damaged manholes, sewer pipes, roof drains, et cetera, where those weak points are.<\/p>\ndye testing<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother method for i\/i is dye testing<\/a>. this is when water is colored with a non-toxic dye, and it’s pumped through the groundwater or stormwater system that is being evaluated. if the dye appears within that sanitary source system. it indicates where the leak occurs, which typically, you can check at each manhole and see where that dye is starting to show up, and you can see where that leak is coming into the system.<\/p>\ncctv inspection<\/strong><\/h3>\nand then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding 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another method for i\/i is dye testing<\/a>. this is when water is colored with a non-toxic dye, and it’s pumped through the groundwater or stormwater system that is being evaluated. if the dye appears within that sanitary source system. it indicates where the leak occurs, which typically, you can check at each manhole and see where that dye is starting to show up, and you can see where that leak is coming into the system.<\/p>\ncctv inspection<\/strong><\/h3>\nand then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
and then one of the more common ways that snyder looks at i\/i testing is through cctv,<\/u> which is when a small camera is inserted into the manhole and travels down the length of the pipe. there is usually an operator outside the manhole, and the camera within the pipe sends real-time video to the operator, and they can evaluate and mark possible areas of concern. these can be cracks, faulty or deteriorating seals, root intrusions, or things of that nature. and typically, they just run from manhole to manhole and record possible issues.<\/p>\n
lindsay beaman (09:39)<\/strong><\/p>\nawesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\namanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
awesome. so it sounds like we’ve collectively identified sources of our i\/i, whether that be direct connections or some accidental stormwater getting into the system. what do we do to mitigate the i\/i?<\/p>\n
amanda rodell\u00a0 (09:53)<\/strong><\/p>\nwith mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\nyou can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\nnow you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\ncommon infrastructure improvement methods\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
with mitigating i\/i typically, there are two different methods. there is full pipe repair, and there’s point repair for full pipe repair.<\/p>\n
you can do various linings through cipp lining, slip lining, pipe insertion, spraying the pipe with an additional coating or taking the pipe completely out and replacing it. and that’s more common if you see numerous problems throughout the length of the pipe.<\/p>\n
now you can also do point repair if there is one specific section of the pipe that is having more problems than the rest like there’s a crack or large amount of deterioration in that area. and you can do cement, grout, or like mechanical point repair, which is when you kind of have a rubber seal and it blows up like a balloon and pushes it up against the wall and creates an additional seal in that area to prevent inflow and infiltration from occurring.<\/p>\n
lindsay beaman (10:52)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\ngrout leaky joints with chemical grout<\/strong><\/h3>\nwes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding 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we’ve identified some i\/i issues within the collection system. what are some infrastructure improvements we can make to tackle some of these situations?<\/p>\n
wes farrand (11:01)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\nthere are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding 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i think one of the most common that we have, at least especially in central iowa and the midwest area here, is we have a lot of clay tile sewers that have a lot of leaky joints. they’re not real watertight sewers because it wasn’t a big issue when they were put in back in the forties, fifties, and sixties timeframe. one of the primary causes of infiltration in sewers is all those joints, especially associated with a high groundwater table where the water can flow right in.<\/p>\n
there are some trenchless rehabilitation techniques<\/a> and things that can be done inside of the sewer and inside of the sewer system to stem that infiltration to slow it down, to get rid of a lot of it. i don’t know that it’s realistic to expect to get rid of all of the infiltration just because there’s a lot of little holes in the system everywhere. but what you’re looking to do is to make a dent in it to really knock it down in order of magnitude or more.<\/p>\nsome of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\nsealing, grouting & lining service laterals<\/strong><\/h3>\nanother potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\ncipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
some of the things that are commonly done – you can grout the joints with a chemical grout that is pumped through a system into each of the joints and kind of seals up the joint itself. and then the soil surrounding the joint stems the water flow coming in through those joints.<\/p>\n
another potential location for water to come into a sewer system is at the service taps. there are even some sealing techniques, grouting, and lining that can be done up into service laterals. a lot of the infiltration comes from those service laterals, which are often forgotten about and cause some complications for getting that done. sometimes it’s considered the homeowner’s problem. sometimes, it’s considered the city’s problem or the city’s ownership. sometimes the service laterals are considered owned by the city. sometimes, it’s considered owned by the property owner. there could be some complications in how to address that and sealing up those service laterals, which can be a major source of infiltration if you think about each service lateral in a community times however many homes.<\/p>\n
cipp is a common lining method to seal up sewers<\/a>, although its impact or influence on i\/i is less than some of the other rehabilitation techniques because it does allow water to still travel through the service tap connections between the host pipe and the liner. but it can be done with a couple of added components like in-seals or maybe in conjunction with grouting to help seal up those pipes that have lots of joints and lots of leaky cracks and infiltration points along the sewer line.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
lindsay beaman (13:07)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\nwes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
yeah, that’s great to hear. it sounds like you have identified a lot of options for what you said, making a dent in the ultimate issue.<\/p>\n
wes farrand (13:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nthe i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\nsnyder & associates’ experience solving inflow & infiltration issues<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
the i\/i doesn’t have to be a standalone target of your inspection. obviously, if you’re maintaining your system really well, you’re going to be doing some kind of inspection just in general for the condition of your sewer system, whether it’s root intrusions or broken pipes, collapsing pipes, things like that. those inspections and the evaluation will go hand-in-hand. you want to know if your pipe is collapsing, and if it’s collapsing, there’s a good chance there’s i\/i to go along with it. so a lot of times, the solution can be twofold there. you can be addressing maybe a structural deficiency in the system and at the same time also addressing some of the i\/i in the system as well.<\/p>\n
lindsay beaman (13:49)<\/strong><\/p>\nyou sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\nwes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
you sound like you’ve had quite a bit of experience in helping with i\/i problems addressing the situation. can you explain to me some of what snyder & associates as a firm has been doing related to these projects, project setup, maybe evaluating the need, and all the way through construction?<\/p>\n
wes farrand (14:04)<\/strong><\/p>\na lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
a lot of times, it does come out of the treatment system design<\/a> or the overall facility 2022世界杯32强预选赛 for an upgrade to a treatment system<\/a> because that is where a lot of that work gets done anyway. as you’re designing that treatment, you need to know how much water is coming into it, and that lends itself to doing some of that measuring and evaluation. so a lot of times, the sewer rehab or i\/i program will stem directly from that if at all possible.<\/p>\nwe’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\nwe’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
we’ve also done projects that just straight come out of, \u201chey, we know we have an i\/i problem, and we want to address it even though our plant is running fine.\u201d so we’ve come at it from both directions. as you mentioned, lindsey, we’ve done a lot of it just, primarily because that is a big issue in a lot of our small communities, especially with old sewer systems. it’s a major issue, and so it gets addressed a lot. we’ve done everything from just a standalone i\/i evaluation study all the way to a complete system facility plan study, which includes a treatment plant, as well as an evaluation of flows and i\/i.<\/p>\n
we’ve taken that then to the next step, a sewer rehabilitation project or program to address the i\/i and maybe structural deficiencies as well. then we’ve done the construction services<\/a> along with that as well because a lot of small communities, they don’t have the staff or the skills to manage a construction program like that. also, along with the financial assistance, the applications, and the procuring of some of the state loan programs or grant programs, we can assist with that as well.<\/p>\nthinking big during capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 to include i\/i needs\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\nlindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
lindsay beaman (15:16)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
we talked about the need for upgrading our sewer system to meet i\/i needs. it’s probably something to consider recommending to any of our clients that if you’re doing any sort of infrastructure upgrade on a street<\/a> and you’re going to be opening that street up, it’s also very relevant to be looking at the sewer system at that time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
wes farrand (15:33)<\/strong><\/p>\ndefinitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
definitely, i think if any community is doing a large reconstruction, especially in the street. because a lot of times, if you can’t do a trenchless solution where you’re going into to rehab the pipe without tearing up the street if you do have major collapses or failures or other issues in the street program going on to reconstruct the street above it, that is the time to do it because you’ve already got the street tore up and the access is much, much easier.<\/p>\n
lindsay beaman (15:57)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\nwes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
that’s good to discuss because i think a lot of times we hear how sewer projects become street projects and wastewater treatment plant projects become slip lining projects. and it’s not out of the lack of need. these things are all related to each other. and that’s where if you had that annual look-see within your system, you might have a better awareness of what is coming. so you’re not going to be caught off guard all the time.<\/p>\n
wes farrand (16:20)<\/strong><\/p>\ni encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\nespecially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
i encourage everybody i talk to, especially in small communities, that if you don’t have a regular televising program or inspection program of some sort to evaluate your system, you’re missing out because then, if you don’t know what state you’re sewers in you don’t know where you might see some significant savings and you’re going to miss out on opportunities.<\/p>\n
especially, if you’re doing a street program and you have maybe third street and fourth street both needs some work and your cip 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , you’re trying to figure out which one you should do and you just pick one out of the hat and it turns out that you pick third street, but fourth street really has major sewer issues. well, if you knew that, that can weigh your decision and play into what might take a higher priority because you’re going to see some cost savings by doubling up on projects like that.<\/p>\n
lindsay beaman (17:02)<\/strong><\/p>\nthat all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
that all ties nicely into a lot of the discussions we’ve had on previous podcasts about capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 <\/a>. and it sounds like through regular televising, or maybe even including investigations within a capital plan, then you’ll have a better idea of, like wes said, what streets need to be addressed. and is it more than just a pavement matter and what the wastewater plant might be doing in five years? it sounds like that ties nicely into a regular conversation, capital improvement 2022世界杯32强预选赛 , looking ahead, and being aware of your city infrastructure. do any of you have any closing thoughts on any recent projects that you really had a success story to tell?<\/p>\ninflow & infiltration success stories<\/strong><\/h2>\nwes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
wes farrand (17:37)<\/strong><\/p>\nwe had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\nanother success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
we had a small community where we were looking at doing some sewer rehabilitation and, through the televising program, discovered a water line that had been bored through the sewer, had subsequently corroded, and was pumping directly into the sanitary sewer. that investigation and the subsequent repair of that cut the city’s water use and as well as their flow to their treatment plant by a third. so, an amazing impact would not have been caught unless for the investigation and the review and evaluation of that project.<\/p>\n
another success that we ran into with a sewer rehabilitation program that was for i\/i, as well as structural deficiencies in a small community. we had planned out the worst parts of the city to do some rehab. and with the city’s available budget, we were able to do half of the city’s sewer system with a rehabilitation program. and it just so happened that when we got our bids back that the pricing from the contractor was very competitive, and the city was able to add in additional lining length. so the city now has about three-quarters of effectively a brand new system and had tremendous impacts on the i\/i downstream. whether they got lucky or it just worked out in their favor, it was a success for how that one worked out, and it made a big difference in their i\/i to their pump station and up to their plant.<\/p>\n
lindsay beaman (18:49)<\/strong><\/p>\ni think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\nwes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
i think a lot of communities can see being aware of their i\/i issues as part of their insurance policy because when it rains, if you have an operator that can’t sleep or leave town because rain threatens to back up into someone’s basement, that’s the kind of risk that as a community you don’t need to put on your staff and your maintenance crews to be concerned about all the time. mitigate those risks for your benefit.<\/p>\n
wes farrand (19:12)<\/strong><\/p>\nyeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\nlindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
yeah, there are definitely overtime costs associated with that as well as staff retention, i think. if you’ve got a system that your staff can never take a break or have a vacation or holiday, it’s hard to keep good people with stuff like that, too, something to consider.<\/p>\n
lindsay beaman (19:25)<\/strong><\/p>\nthanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n
thanks for joining me today, i learned a lot about inflow and infiltration and what our clients need to be aware of for 2022世界杯32强预选赛 ahead, prevention, maintenance, reducing elimination, and just overall the financial side of things, as well as the 世界杯足球比赛预选赛 outreach and the services snyder & associates has to offer. it was really great talking to you both today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
water resource engineers discuss the issues with i\/i and techniques for identify the source along with corrective actions and available funding options.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":27012,"parent":0,"menu_order":21,"template":"","format":"standard","categories":[30],"class_list":["post-13503","podcasts","type-podcasts","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-water"],"acf":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\n\t\t\n